Oldenburg Kokarde Question

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Oldenburg Kokarde Question

Post by SkipperJohn » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:00 pm

I acquired this 1860-1871 Oldenburg Kokarde and had a question about the color. It was listed as "new/old stock" and appeared correct. It is stamped steel, magnetic (of course), standard thickness, and 57mm. I don't doubt that the Kokarde is original, I just question the color and the paint:

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The colors match Kokarden off of Oldenburg Mütze and Schirmmütze perfectly, but not Pickelhauben that I have seen. I have noticed, here on the forum, that the Oldenburg Pickelhauben illustrated vary widely in the color of the state Kokarde. Some are pretty close to this light blue color while some appear more royal blue. Others seem to have oxidized so completely that they appear black and red, almost hard to distinguish from a Württemberg Kokarde.
What are your opinions on this one?

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Re: Oldenburg Kokarde Question

Post by Sandmann » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:21 am

I think the color is plausible. Found this one at www.weitze.net which has the same color:
https://www.weitze.net/militaria/72/Old ... 23872.html
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Re: Oldenburg Kokarde Question

Post by coert65 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:26 am

Looking at the kokarde, and it's color, I think it's been repainted John.
It all looks just too "fresh" to me.

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Re: Oldenburg Kokarde Question

Post by b.loree » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:18 pm

The ones that I have on my Oldenberg helmets John, are darker than yours. I will post some pics tomorrow.
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Re: Oldenburg Kokarde Question

Post by pickelhauben » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:21 am

Does the red glow with a black light ?

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Re: Oldenburg Kokarde Question

Post by SkipperJohn » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:49 pm

pickelhauben wrote:
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Does the red glow with a black light ?
No, nothing glows under black light. The paint chips easily but does not dissolve with solvents.
There is no oxidation at all, which could account for it's lighter color.
Again, it matches an Oldenburg Schirmmütze Kokarde perfectly.

Did Oldenburg change colors? Is it possible that there were many variations in colors considered acceptable?

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Re: Oldenburg Kokarde Question

Post by J.LeBrasseur » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:47 pm

I like it, would like to see the back, but IMO I think it is good.

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Re: Oldenburg Kokarde Question

Post by SkipperJohn » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:45 pm

J.LeBrasseur wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:47 pm
I like it, would like to see the back, but IMO I think it is good.

James
I'm not sure that seeing the back will help. I had to clean some material (glue and felt maybe) off of the back.
There were a couple of small, light blue, drips or runs on the reverse, but they chipped off.
Now the reverse side is just a matte black and gray/silver.

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Re: Oldenburg Kokarde Question

Post by Sandmann » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:50 am

In my opinion the color is plausible, I saw Helmets with same colored Kokarden. But I agree with coert that this one looks repainted.
http://www.spandaumilitariashop.com/ww ... e-cockade/
https://www.themilitarycampaign.co.uk/ ... ckelhaube/
Here the same color has been used in an Oldenburg coat of Arms (picture Bleichenstraße at the end of the website)
https://schmid-ol.de/?page_id=218
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