Need help identifying/valuing another pickelhaub

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Tylerm1234

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Here’s the photos I’ve got, I don’t have much knowledge on pickelhaubs other than this one is in rather rough shape. So any information about the helmet and/or its value would be helpful. Thank you so much :)

Tyler
 

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It reminds me of the donation boxes that were made from the steel helmets for the war drive. Maybe this is something similar? That cut appears to have been put there intentionally and looks big enough for an envelope/ bills.
 
Naprawiacz said:
The helmet is original and only requires minor repairs. This is not a problem.
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Yes, and you do outstanding, superb repair work. All of us members here commend you for your repair work skills.

But the helmet will ALWAYS BE A REPAIRED HELMET THAT HAD A LARGE SLIT IN THE BODY, no matter how fine of work you or anyone else can do on repairing the helmet and cosmetically trying to hide the fact that there is a large slit cut into the side of the helmet. No way in HECK that I would want it in my collection, even if it is expertly repaired. Someday the repaired helmets with problems such as this will re-circulate back out in to the collector market. Will they be labeled as repaired or restored helmets when they are re-sold? Will this information be disclosed to a future buyer?

Best Wishes,

Alan
 
ww1czechlegion said:
Yes, and you do outstanding, superb repair work. All of us members here commend you for your repair work skills.

But the helmet will ALWAYS BE A REPAIRED HELMET THAT HAD A LARGE SLIT IN THE BODY, no matter how fine of work you or anyone else can do on repairing the helmet and cosmetically trying to hide the fact that there is a large slit cut into the side of the helmet. No way in HECK that I would want it in my collection, even if it is expertly repaired. Someday the repaired helmets with problems such as this will re-circulate back out in to the collector market. Will they be labeled as repaired or restored helmets when they are re-sold? Will this information be disclosed to a future buyer?

Best Wishes,

Alan
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Dear Alan,

You should have seen Wojtek work. It's very fine that one can't tell. He is an artist and that open slot in that double post is nothing for his skill.

Regards
Amy Bellars
 
Amybellars said:
Dear Alan,

You should have seen Wojtek work. It's very fine that one can't tell. He is an artist and that open slot in that double post is nothing for his skill.

Regards
Amy Bellars
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I agree that his skills are second to none.

The scary part is one day in the future when a helmet he has restored comes to market and no one bothers to tell anyone that it was restored, or shows what it looked like when originally found before restoration. That is the scary part for collectors in the future. I am in NO Way accusing him of not wanting to disclose a restored helmet. Far be it from me to accuse him of that. I am simply saying that some day these fabulously restored helmets will come to market and I pity the person who does not know the extent of any restoration work on a helmet. As you say: "one can't tell" that the work has been done.
 
ww1czechlegion said:
I agree that his skills are second to none.

The scary part is one day in the future when a helmet he has restored comes to market and no one bothers to tell anyone that it was restored, or shows what it looked like when originally found before restoration. That is the scary part for collectors in the future. I am in NO Way accusing him of not wanting to disclose a restored helmet. Far be it from me to accuse him of that. I am simply saying that some day these fabulously restored helmets will come to market and I pity the person who does not know the extent of any restoration work on a helmet. As you say: "one can't tell" that the work has been done.
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I understand what u are trying to say.

If I were to get that slotted pickelhaube, it will just be for parts. I don't think it's right to send every helmet to wotjek for restoration. He does it as a hobby and not as a full time job.

Regards
Amy Bellars
 
ww1czechlegion said:
Yes, and you do outstanding, superb repair work. All of us members here commend you for your repair work skills.

But the helmet will ALWAYS BE A REPAIRED HELMET THAT HAD A LARGE SLIT IN THE BODY, no matter how fine of work you or anyone else can do on repairing the helmet and cosmetically trying to hide the fact that there is a large slit cut into the side of the helmet. No way in HECK that I would want it in my collection, even if it is expertly repaired. Someday the repaired helmets with problems such as this will re-circulate back out in to the collector market. Will they be labeled as repaired or restored helmets when they are re-sold? Will this information be disclosed to a future buyer?

Best Wishes,

Alan
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Alan, look from the other side.Not everyone on this forum can afford a pickelhaube above 2,500 euros or a house for 25 million dollars.Everyone wants to have nice things.Believe me, not everything, even in these outstanding collections, is perfect and has not been repaired.I repair items using original parts and use the methods of old masters.An old, restored car with 70% old parts is considered original in my country.I will not answer your questions because I am not a seller of items and this is not my role. I only make people happy and that is valuable to me.I have no moral dilemmas because I am not cheating anyone. It is up to the owner of the item whether he will indicate what was done when selling it.As long as I have enough strength, I will do my job until the end of the world and one day longer.
Wojtek
 
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Not sure what his problem is but his last message to me was him saying he’s not longer interested. Send me a PayPal. I agreed to sell. Ball has been in his side of the court.
 

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Naprawiacz said:
Alan, look from the other side.Not everyone on this forum can afford a pickelhaube above 2,500 euros or a house for 25 million dollars.Everyone wants to have nice things.Believe me, not everything, even in these outstanding collections, is perfect and has not been repaired.I repair items using original parts and use the methods of old masters.An old, restored car with 70% old parts is considered original in my country.I will not answer your questions because I am not a seller of items and this is not my role. I only make people happy and that is valuable to me.I have no moral dilemmas because I am not cheating anyone. It is up to the owner of the item whether he will indicate what was done when selling it.As long as I have enough strength, I will do my job until the end of the world and one day longer.
Wojtek
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Hi Wojtek,

Thanks for your nice comments.

I will be the first here to admit that I cannot afford a 2,500 euros pickelhaube helmet. I certainly could not afford a house for the huge sum of 25 million dollars. That would be quite the mansion costing 25 million dollars, and I cannot imagine something like this. This is not the reality in the United States unless a person is a movie star, a famous singer, or maybe a doctor or a lawyer, or an owner of a large company, for them to be able to afford a 25 million dollar house.

You probably do not know that I am a "bottom feeder" when I buy my helmets. That does not mean that I do not buy quality helmets, it means that I am fortunate to find them often times for far less than what a retail price is for a helmet. As Brian and James know, I work quite hard searching for these helmets, and I also am fortunate to find some because of the advertising for them that I do. Setting up a display at collector shows also helps to find helmets for my collection, because I talk with people who might have one at home that they wish to sell. I have only ever spent $2,500 on one single helmet in my collection, and that helmet was brought home by a WW2 veteran and I purchased it from his daughter. My other "big purchase" cost $2,000 dollars. A third helmet cost $1,800 dollars, and a fourth helmet cost $1,000. Each of the other 40-some helmets that I have cost under $1,000 dollars. I am a "bottom feeder", meaning that I don't normally pay full price for the helmets that I find, many of them coming from families who had military service men who brought them back from Germany. Those of us in the United States are very fortunate because many helmets came back to the U.S. as war bond helmets, or war souvenir helmets, both during World War One, and also during World War Two, and in the occupation years after the end of WW2.

I fully agree that you are not cheating anyone, and that you have no reason for any moral dilemma in doing your superb restoration work. I never accused you of that, and that was not the point of what I was stating in my comments. What I meant is that I normally do not buy helmets that need extensive restoration, such as the excellent work that you do. That is because here in the U.S. I am able to find helmets that are still normally in quite good condition, and do not need extensive restoration. I will buy helmets that need a visor to be re-stitched by Brian, and I have had him do some refinishing on the exterior on a couple helmets, but that is the extent of damage restoration for my personal interest in having a helmet in my collection. With my residence in the U.S., I am lucky that I can be choosy about what I want to buy for my collection. Part of that ability for me to be choosy is because I still seem to find several helmets each year that are in relatively good condition from families. I fully understand this isn't possible for everyone here on the forum, dependent upon where one lives. So yes, I can call myself a "bottom feeder" in buying helmets for less than retail price when I find them from families or "out of the woodwork" as we say in the U.S.

My point of my first comment was that in the future we will see many restored helmets come to market where an owner might not disclose what has been done to the helmet. That is absolutely not your fault, Wojtek. It will always be the responsibility of the owner as to whether or not they disclose repair work on a helmet. I fully understand this.

Best Wishes,

Alan
 
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isn't it obvious??
The messages you are showing date from ten days ago, and only now you come up with a answer...
Like I said in my pm's I baught (and got) two other helmets from the forum in that time!
That helmet you are proposing could have been here, by long!
That is what my problem is!
 
ww1czechlegion said:
Hi Wojtek,

Thanks for your nice comments.

I will be the first here to admit that I cannot afford a 2,500 euros pickelhaube helmet. I certainly could not afford a house for the huge sum of 25 million dollars. That would be quite the mansion costing 25 million dollars, and I cannot imagine something like this. This is not the reality in the United States unless a person is a movie star, a famous singer, or maybe a doctor or a lawyer, or an owner of a large company, for them to be able to afford a 25 million dollar house.

You probably do not know that I am a "bottom feeder" when I buy my helmets. That does not mean that I do not buy quality helmets, it means that I am fortunate to find them often times for far less than what a retail price is for a helmet. As Brian and James know, I work quite hard searching for these helmets, and I also am fortunate to find some because of the advertising for them that I do. Setting up a display at collector shows also helps to find helmets for my collection, because I talk with people who might have one at home that they wish to sell. I have only ever spent $2,500 on one single helmet in my collection, and that helmet was brought home by a WW2 veteran and I purchased it from his daughter. My other "big purchase" cost $2,000 dollars. A third helmet cost $1,800 dollars, and a fourth helmet cost $1,000. Each of the other 40-some helmets that I have cost under $1,000 dollars. I am a "bottom feeder", meaning that I don't normally pay full price for the helmets that I find, many of them coming from families who had military service men who brought them back from Germany. Those of us in the United States are very fortunate because many helmets came back to the U.S. as war bond helmets, or war souvenir helmets, both during World War One, and also during World War Two, and in the occupation years after the end of WW2.

I fully agree that you are not cheating anyone, and that you have no reason for any moral dilemma in doing your superb restoration work. I never accused you of that, and that was not the point of what I was stating in my comments. What I meant is that I normally do not buy helmets that need extensive restoration, such as the excellent work that you do. That is because here in the U.S. I am able to find helmets that are still normally in quite good condition, and do not need extensive restoration. I will buy helmets that need a visor to be re-stitched by Brian, and I have had him do some refinishing on the exterior on a couple helmets, but that is the extent of damage restoration for my personal interest in having a helmet in my collection. With my residence in the U.S., I am lucky that I can be choosy about what I want to buy for my collection. Part of that ability for me to be choosy is because I still seem to find several helmets each year that are in relatively good condition from families. I fully understand this isn't possible for everyone here on the forum, dependent upon where one lives. So yes, I can call myself a "bottom feeder" in buying helmets for less than retail price when I find them from families or "out of the woodwork" as we say in the U.S.

My point of my first comment was that in the future we will see many restored helmets come to market where an owner might not disclose what has been done to the helmet. That is absolutely not your fault, Wojtek. It will always be the responsibility of the owner as to whether or not they disclose repair work on a helmet. I fully understand this.

Best Wishes,

Alan
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Alan I fully agree with you.It is still necessary to distinguish between a bad repair and a good one.It takes me more time to eliminate bad repairs and return to the original condition before the repair.Even good sellers sell tragically made items, which at first glance look good.I have already had in my hands several helmets, the polish of which was made from car putty.This causes later cracking of the structure and practically the item is suitable for trash.River topic and I could write a book.I sincerely envy the prices of items in the USA. In Europe the low prices at which one buys items border on the miraculous.Unfortunately shipping costs and customs duties make up the difference.Have a great day Alan.
Wojtek
 
hey Stuka I’ve got a life outside of this. I apologize I didn’t respond fast enough. I didn’t see a need to respond you never responded after you said you will be gone for a few days. However the offer still stands. My PayPal email is [email protected] if youd like to send payment and dm your address for shipping
 
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