Help............IR92 Other ranks Plate

CLOVIS 57 said:
It's difficult to say for sure without access to the back of the T.K. But:
---The "Fuerst" eagle is for an officer.
---The T.K. is for an enlisted man.
First point of interest.

Next, I really don't like the two folding tabs; I much prefer threaded rods and square nuts.
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Why no loops like we see on most e m helmet plates ?
Steve
 
This one is doubtless. It is the example donated in 1961 to the Rastatt museum by Viktoria Luise, Wilhelm II's daughter and Herzogin von Braunschweig. The helmet belonged to her late husband, Ernst August von Hannover (III), Herzog von Braunschweig, usually pictured in HR17 uniform. The helmet is a post-war production. The skull is more rounded, less emaciated than earlier officer examples seen on the forum. A similar pattern can be seen in the Junker catalogue. This special helmet has been previously amply commented upon, on this forum, by those who had a chance to hold it, including Tony S, Garde Ulan, Sergio Semino, and myself. Since John’s question was principally on death head/bones attachment on 92R officer helmets, I have made relevant photos. In fact it is the same bolt/nut fixation as on all genuine 92R helmets I have encountered so far, enlisted- and officer type.

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911car said:
This one is doubtless. It is the example donated in 1961 to the Rastatt museum by Viktoria Luise, Wilhelm II's daughter and Herzogin von Braunschweig. The helmet belonged to her late husband, Ernst August von Hannover (III), Herzog von Braunschweig, usually pictured in HR17 uniform. The helmet is a post-war production. The skull is more rounded, less emaciated than earlier officer examples seen on the forum. A similar pattern can be seen in the Junker catalogue. This special helmet has been previously amply commented upon, on this forum, by those who had a chance to hold it, including Tony S, Garde Ulan, Sergio Semino, and myself. Since John’s question was principally on death head/bones attachment on 92R officer helmets, I have made relevant photos. In fact it is the same bolt/nut fixation as on all genuine 92R helmets I have encountered so far, enlisted- and officer type.

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Oh yes! I remember that beautiful helmet well. It had the typical inventory mark (number) of Rastatt museum inside a corresponding index card with the same number and the note that the helmet was a gift from the daughter of the last emperor. It is a pity—and rather incomprehensible—that the museum later gave away such an item.

Best wishes,

GardeUlan
 
2nd.Leibhusar said:
How is it possible that a museum gave something like that ( a gift...) away?
Does anyone knows what happened to this helmet?
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I don't know how things work in Germany, but in France, over time, we've noticed that objects stored in the reserves are no longer there 20 years later... without any trace in the accounts... But since these objects don't belong to the curator or the management committee... the loss isn't personalized... And since it creates a bad image, we mustn't alert the authorities... we keep it under wraps, which in Corsica is called... omerta, or in journalistic jargon, “radio silence.”

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I hasten to show you my "rare bird"... Several decades ago, I acquired a "Kammer" helmet from the JR92. Well-marked, with its beautiful Totenkopf (death's head), but with a "Koenig" eagle... This seemed obviously period-correct to me, as the helmet had just come out of an attic, with its beautiful brass Landkokarde (fire collar) painted blue, and it was patinated and covered in dust and grime. I desperately began searching for a "Fuerst" eagle to make it "correct," until one day, about ten years ago, a collector friend sent me this period photograph... The Vaterland-Bandeau (fatherland headband) leaves no doubt; it clearly has the folds of the Prussian line eagle.

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Even if we cannot read "Koenig" on the photo, there is no doubt, because we can clearly see a single fold on the right wing of the eagle (left side in the photo), whereas the Fuerst eagle would have 2 folds ("Mitt" on one and "Gott und" on the other).



I am very grateful to my friend for sharing this beautiful photo with me, which soothes my anxiety... In France, we call that "the exception that proves the rule!"Definitely a substitute for wartime production.
 
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911car said:
Since John’s question was principally on death head/bones attachment on 92R officer helmets, I have made relevant photos.
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Thank you, Bruno, for taking the time to post these pictures they have answered all my questions regarding the Officers Skull and Eagle. I really appreciate it and the pictures are so clear and detailed I was able to do a side by side with my Original EM Helmet Eagle.

I think we can assume that the bald spots on the eagle shown earlier could be considered just another way to tell a reproduction.

MFG John Josef
 
Hi Clovis,

Thanks for posting your pictures would you have any photos with the plate removed from the back showing the method of skull attachment.

There seems to be some older stamps issue stamps below the 92 R maybe there was a shortage of IR 92 Helmets, and they were able to fill the shortage by combining spare parts and shells on hand at the depot. :unsure:

Very interesting thanks for sharing MFG John Josef
 
2nd.Leibhusar said:
How is it possible that a museum gave something like that ( a gift...) away?
Does anyone knows what happened to this helmet?
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Around 2002, Sergio Semino had the helmet. In 2014 it was auctioned in the USA, and I assume that it is still there. Perhaps it is now in the hands of a member of our community?

jamesdjulia.com

BRUNSWICK 92ND INFANTRY REGIMENT - 3RD BATTALION PRE-1912 OFFICER'S HELMET. - James D. Julia, Auctioneers

Lot 3264. BRUNSWICK 92ND INFANTRY REGIMENT - 3RD BATTALION PRE-1912 OFFICER'S HELMET. (50221-8)
jamesdjulia.com jamesdjulia.com

See also this:
ww1czechlegion

Thread 'Robert H. Haskell III Estate Helmets on Julia Auction'

Here's a preview photo of a selection of pickelhaubes from the Estate Collection of Virginia Publisher Robert H. Haskell III, which will be available on the upcoming March of 2014 James D. Julia, Inc. Auctionhouse. Did anyone on here personally know, or know of the late Robert H. Haskell III ?

If they're real, they look to be in very nice condition. I can only wonder what else he had in his collection of pickelhaubes that will be in this auction as well.

Here's a link to the auction page where I found this photo posted below:

http://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/div_catalog_358_sh.asp"...

Best wishes,

GardeUlan
 
2nd.Leibhusar said:
How is it possible that a museum gave something like that ( a gift...) away?
Does anyone knows what happened to this helmet?
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As Garde Ulan wrote, a collector acquired the helmet from Rastatt (not a rare occurrence then). Much later on, it was purchased from a well-known European dealer by publisher Robert Haskell III.
James Julia Inc. auctioned Haskell's estate in 2014.
I attended the auction. From Boston airport tarmac we were five, pilot included, squeezed in a small single-engine aircraft. Safety belt dispensable, and off we take to Fairfield, Maine in nasty winter weather. Quite a thrill!
I have attached the inventory slip from Rastatt museum, and original tag from display cabinet.

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911car said:
// I attended the auction. From Boston airport tarmac we were five, pilot included, squeezed in a small single-engine aircraft. Safety belt dispensable, and off we take to Fairfield, Maine in nasty winter weather. Quite a thrill! //
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The tragedy is that we were both in the same room at the same time, but neither of us knew. I have no idea what you look like.

Maybe if I had been holding a Dachshund...
 
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