M15 helmet with cover
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Pontrest
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This brings up an interesting point.... would the cockades have been removed due to the cover being installed on the helmet? I wonder about this, given the scarcity of the cockades. I know the covers are also scarce, and this one looks great, but the fact that the spike and cockades are missing seems like this may have been the case. Just some thoughts, as the cockades would have been more metal to get snagged on the cover as it was going on the helmet. Thoughts from anyone?
Doug B
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I’m by no means an expert but this type of uberzüg is meant to be worn with no spike as there is not the typical sewn in attachment to cover the spike. As for regulations with respect to the cockades I’ve no clue but it makes sense the soldier would remove them with this type of cover as they are not seen and there is no reason to remove the cover as the chinstrap is readily accessible through the side slots sewn in for it
Zebedeus
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Dear fellows, I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree.
In my opinion, this type of cloth cover is the two-piece M.15 designed for helmets with a removable spike.
Furthermore, as far as I am aware, the cockades were not normally removed when the cloth cover was fitted.
Of course, I am happy to hear other opinions, but based on my understanding and the examples I have seen, this is how I would interpret it.
In my opinion, this type of cloth cover is the two-piece M.15 designed for helmets with a removable spike.
Furthermore, as far as I am aware, the cockades were not normally removed when the cloth cover was fitted.
Of course, I am happy to hear other opinions, but based on my understanding and the examples I have seen, this is how I would interpret it.
Doug B
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Thanks I had no idea there was a second piece! May I ask what the book is? I’d love to pick up a copy!
argonne
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Hello,
I don't think the fact that the cockades are missing has anything to do with the type of helmet cover for the M15 model. This type of helmet cover consisted of two parts: a shell cover and a spikecover. Very often, the peak cover got lost...
Before the M15 Pickelhaube and Überzug were introduced, as we can sometimes see on period picts, it was very common that soldiers began removing the fixed tip from their M95 helmets, taking off the entire base of the tip, but very often also cutting off the tip just above the round base. They did the same with the helmet covers, simply cutting off the spike cover and then by tightening the top of the helmet cover with a makeshift string
Here a helmet + Überzug first worn in the JR173 (one can see the ghost of the old numbers"173" on the Überzug that have been unstitched), completely cut off after a few weeks of war of position, and later moved to the RJR73.
Philippe
I don't think the fact that the cockades are missing has anything to do with the type of helmet cover for the M15 model. This type of helmet cover consisted of two parts: a shell cover and a spikecover. Very often, the peak cover got lost...
Before the M15 Pickelhaube and Überzug were introduced, as we can sometimes see on period picts, it was very common that soldiers began removing the fixed tip from their M95 helmets, taking off the entire base of the tip, but very often also cutting off the tip just above the round base. They did the same with the helmet covers, simply cutting off the spike cover and then by tightening the top of the helmet cover with a makeshift string
Here a helmet + Überzug first worn in the JR173 (one can see the ghost of the old numbers"173" on the Überzug that have been unstitched), completely cut off after a few weeks of war of position, and later moved to the RJR73.
Philippe
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ccj
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There were no special Helmut covers for wearing the helmet without the spike. For various reasons, troops removed their spikes or lost their spikes during the war and wore their Helmut without spike. This type cover makes it easier since the spike cover is removable, while the other one-piece covers required that the spike cover was either tucked inside or removed.
As for the missing cockades, I have no idea, but I would assume they were either lost or removed by the wearer.
The strap and cockades come off very easily on these helmets.
As for the missing cockades, I have no idea, but I would assume they were either lost or removed by the wearer.
The strap and cockades come off very easily on these helmets.
Zebedeus
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The German Army in the first world war - uniform and equipment - 1914 to 1918 Verlag Militaria.
Zebedeus
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Here is the contact you need.
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Doug B
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LOL - I have that book of course! Would help if I opened it once in a while! I thought it was a book dedicated to the Uberzüg!
Thx Zeb time to blow the dust off this volume as it’s been a while obviously.
Doug B
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Those are fantastic examples, thanks for sharing!!!
Zebedeus
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LOL - I have that book of course! Would help if I opened it once in a while! I thought it was a book dedicated to the Uberzüg!
Thx Zeb time to blow the dust off this volume as it’s been a while obviously.
