Baden Griffen Wappen.

[Arend]

Hello, I saw some Griffen without a crown. Are they from different ranks or time periods?
Thank you,
Arend

 

[coert65]

After 1918, a lot of crowns were removed from pickelhaubes, because of the fall of the monarchy. Not on all thankfully, but a lot of them.

Regards, Coert.

 

[Arend]

Tks Coert,
So, is this one example?:

Pickelhaube, Baden um 1900 | Badisches Auktionshaus

www.badisches-auktionshaus.de

Sounds no space for the crown.

 

[HatEnjoyer]

Tks Coert,
So, is this one example?:

Pickelhaube, Baden um 1900 | Badisches Auktionshaus

www.badisches-auktionshaus.de

Sounds no space for the crown.

Pickelhauben are made of leather which shrinks over time. I think that’s why there is seemingly no space for a crown.

 

[coert65]

That Baden helmet's wappen is civil service, not military, looking at the banner.
For military the banner reads "Mitt gott fur furst und vaterland". As far as I know, but I know not much of civil service hauben, it should have a crown though.

 

[Jeff R]

The crowns, officer versions especially, are delicate and prone to breaking off. It would not be uncommon for the crown to overlap the spike base on cruciform mounts like this one.

It's an odd one - definitely a civil plate, as Coert says. Looks like a Hessian cockade?

 

[coert65]

That kokarde is indeed Hessen Jeff, I noticed this too. Maybe it's a Hessen Arty helmet, with the wrong plate on it..

 

[Peter B]

Yes that is a fire service.

 

[b.loree]

Pete identified it correctly, a fireman officer helmet from Baden, as was mentioned, the motto is not military. However, there are some good Baden officer parts on that piece. The same companies that made the military helmets also catered to fire and police.