BAVARIAN PICKELHAUBE M1886 FOR MANNSCHFTEN ENLISTED MAN

[weirdpyramid]

Im interested in adding my first Bavarian helmet to my collection from a seller who has one to sell. Done a bit of research and just wanted to run it by the pros! please let me know if the pics and description all add up. thanks for the help!

Description:

BAVARIAN PICKELHAUBE M1886 FOR MANNSCHFTEN

A BEAUTIFUL HELMET WITH THE FOLLOWING FLAWS, IT IS MISSING THE SILK LINER, ONE SQUARE NUT AND WASHER FOR THE HELMET PLATE AND MISSING TWO SMALL BITS OF LAQUER ABOVE THE COCKADES
ISSUE STAMPS – STAMPED ON REAR VISOR ARE “STADT FUERTH” (CITY OF FUERTH) AND A LARGE “F” (FELDDIENSTBRAUCHBAR OR FIELD/WAR SERVICEABLE)
KOCKARDEN OFFIZIERE PATTERN. RIGHT – REICH WITH DOUBLE SILVER RING, LEFT BAYERN WITH DOUBLE DARK BLUE RING. THE ROSETTE HAS TWO SPLIT PRONGS WHICH ARE BENT BACK INSIDE THE HELMET
CHINSCALE MOUNTS – ROSETTE OBLONG FOR CURVED CHINSCALES
HELMWAPPEN – ENORMOUS – MISSING ONE WASHER AND SQUARE NUT
HELWAPPEN CROWN - VOIDED
PERLRING BALL PATTERN, WITH A FLUTED FINIAL (SPIKE)
VENTILATION HOLES (LUFTLOCHER) SIX
SPIKE BASE MOUNT DOMED ON A CRUCIFORM WITH A SQUARE FRONT, THIS WAS FOR BAYERN MANNSCHAFTEN ARTILLERY, CHEVAULAGER AND SCHWERE-REITER
REAR SPINE – HINTERSCHEINE PLAIN, AND WITHOUT VENT. IT IS HELD ONTO THE SHELL WITH A NUT AND BOLT,
VISOR UNDERSIDES – VORDERSCHIRM PLAIN LEATHER HINTERSCHIRM PLAIN LEATHER
LINER CALF SKIN MISSING SILK LINER
BASE MATERIAL BRASS
KORPUS – BODY IS IN OVERALL SUPERB CONDITION WITH TWO SMALL FLAWS, JUST ABOVE EACH OF THE KOCKARDES IS MISSING A SMALL PIECE OF THE LAQUER – PLEASE REFER TO THE PICTURES

 

[joerookery]

This marking does not give me a warm and fuzzy. Regularly city markings like this were reserved for police/firefighter elements. I do not know when the marking was placed on the helmet–many of these nonmilitary types were private purchase. Not for me.

 

[b.loree]

Typically, the Bavarian officer kokarde blue painted ring does not have 3 ridges to it. The real ones do not have the middle ridge which is always present on the Reich officer kokarde and the Prussian officer kokarde. Consequently, I would say that in my opinion which by the way is not the word of God the Bavarian kokarde on this helmet is a repro. If anyone can clarify or provide any additional info on the 3 ring VS 2 ring Bavarian officer kokarde, feel free to comment. B

 

[weirdpyramid]

Thanks guys! its those little details i am slowly(but surely) learning about. I have a couple reference books coming my way so hopefully i will get to know more of these little details for the future. Im looking for a nice bavarian helmet to add to my collection but from what i gather from looking on this forum is that they arent the most desirable type of helmet. Why is that? Age of Kings has a very nice one for sale at the moment that i really really like its a Bavarian Lieb Infantry Officer helmet that looks excellent but i think i still need to do more research on these helmets too make sure im really getting my moneys worth.

thanks again!
weird one

 

[911car]

This is the right move, weird one. In addition to previous justified comments, this helmet is in mediocre condition: damaged surface shell finish, lost matt gilding on the plate, missing silk liner... bavarian officer spike helmets are common; be patient and you will find a much nicer one.
Bruno