FR 74, 77, 78, ... Officer plate

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monfort

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Hi,

Newcomer on this forum, I would be interested in getting your opinion about this Off helmet plate:

http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6605711956&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3APIC&rd=1

Only look at the plate.

Tony already answered me but I am listening to your opinion....

Eric
 
It's a case of Deja Vu with this one.
I'm seeing the inside of two different helmets, a helmet with a straight Prussian line eagle on it, a 'Hannover' plate that may possibly be a doctored line eagle plus an impressive collection. Is showing this lot some kind of ego trip or what?

What is actually for sale here? :sad11:
 
Eric,
Welcome to the Forum. If we limit our discussion to just the helmet plate I am not sure that I would trash it. I would request additional pictures of the helmet but the plate looks good to me. I would be interested in hearing Tony's observations. Bill
 
From the proportions, I'm inclined to think this is a Tschapka Wappen (in which case the Waterloo Bandau is completely out of place). The Bandau is certainly a poor fit.

Chas.
 
In my opinion, this plate looks good. The seller mixed different pictures to show his helmet and indeed the presentation result seems curious. But let's come back to the plate....
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6605711956&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3APIC&rd=1

Tony,....help....

Eric
 
Yes Chas, the proportions of the bird, and the bandeau to the bird - look wrong to me too. The littie 'scroll' pieces at each end seem to be a bit too obscured, and I'm not sure if one of those solder joints is'nt a tad shiny, but perhaps it's the photo and a touch of paranoia.
 
Kaiser Bill said:
I would be interested in hearing Tony's observations. Bill
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My comments to Eric said:
I do not understand. The photo of the side of the Pickelhaube, does not look like it has a Waterloo Wappen on it?
The chinscales are rounded, not flat. That would be Train Btln. No Train
Btln wore a Waterloo Bandeau.
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There was more, but that is most of it. As Mike said, solder looks a bit bright but that happens on originals sometimes. I think the plate 'might' be fine, but those photos are just too small to make an opinion. I sent him a close-up of my FR72 Wappen so he could compare and make his own decision. Overall, the photos are confusing, and that Wappen would not belong on that helmet.

Eric, Bienvenue à la Forum. Maxime, Mike, je crois les vies d'Eric en France.
 
spikeymikey said:
What is actually for sale here?
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That's what I'd like to know. The one picture for which I would love to see an enlarged view isn't cooperating.

Chas.
 
I hand it to Mikey who took the standard as the minority spokesman! I think the back of the plate is good but the solder is new. I do not think the bandeaux is the same construct as the plate. A late addition?

I too am confused by the pics. The helmet is not related, there is a pic of prongs and yet the plate has posts.

The pic I'm most focused on is the liner w/ maker's mark. Maybe not this helmet but an Awes Marke Liner with the elastic band around the calf skin. Is this generic to Awes-Marke? Why a red tag as opposed to blue or green? Am I losing it?
 
I'm with Chas. It looks kinda like a tschako plate (from the proportions looking at it from the rear) with a bandeau added. Also, looking at the side view of the helmet, the bandeau is not shown??? The plate also appears to have a "nasty" bend below the FR. Too many contraries....

IMO, more poo.

Dave
 
The plate shows no evidence of any gold wash or gilt on the front or back. the chest of the eagle seems too flat and there is a very strange bend below the "FR". This is not something I would want in my collection.

Reservist1
 
joerookery said:
there is a very strange bend below the "FR"
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easily seen from the front but not there on the back? Are these the same plate?
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No they are not the same plate, look at the right end of the Bandeau, there is a bit of a gap when viewed from the front, but not from the back, I do not thind there are two different shots of the same item in this listing.
Gus
 
Hi,

Here more pictures from the seller (bud poor quality of pictures). I hope you will see them...correctly!


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As you can see: no stars under Officer spike. Quiet good liner with markings. Flat chinscales (which is better than convex chinscales....). A curious "grey" point in the left side of the Wappen plate....All brass parts gilt (according to the seller)

Eric
 
I think Gus is right. Different plates. This chicken has gas and it's giving me a hernia :tard:
These pictures don't give much away apart from the fact that the shell is'nt in great condition. I wonder if the spike top unscrews and is original to the base?
I think Tony once said that when you buy an Officer helmet you are buying the plate.
How bad do you want this helmet Eric and are you any good at James Mason impressions?
I think you need to somehow telephone the seller and in James Masons voice say - "My name's James Mason, send me some proper pictures or I'll thrash you!"
 
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