Hello everyone new poster here. I’ve been watching some of the forums for a while and got a m1915 pickelhaube! I’ve traced it to the 183rd regiment and then sometime in 1916 when they were fighting in Russia they turned it in to 5th corps supply depot. After that it did something I can see where two stamps used to be but can’t figure out how to identify them. Any help and tips would be greatly appreciated!
Help with faded markings
- Thread starter Adam
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Hi Adam,
Welcome to the forum!
I read I.R. 138, and either B.A. VI or B.A. VII. The B.A. stamp is the acceptance stamp of the Bekleidungsamt, that provided clothing and equipment to the regiments. The B.A. then issued the helmet to I.R. 138.
As I.R. 138 was based in Dieuze before the war, which was close to the front line, the Ersatz Bataillon that trained the replacement troops for the regiment was most likely moved to the rear, either to the VI. or VII. army corps region.
The round stamp is the manufacturer's mark.
Regards,
Lars
Welcome to the forum!
I read I.R. 138, and either B.A. VI or B.A. VII. The B.A. stamp is the acceptance stamp of the Bekleidungsamt, that provided clothing and equipment to the regiments. The B.A. then issued the helmet to I.R. 138.
As I.R. 138 was based in Dieuze before the war, which was close to the front line, the Ersatz Bataillon that trained the replacement troops for the regiment was most likely moved to the rear, either to the VI. or VII. army corps region.
The round stamp is the manufacturer's mark.
Regards,
Lars
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CLOVIS 57
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Hello,
The 138R is well known to the people of Alsace-Lorraine in the Reichsland; in 1887 it was garrisoned in Strasbourg, and from 1906 until the armistice, in Dieuze. The two Ersatz battalions were formed in Bitche and Bischwiller in 1914.
During the war, the JR138 was under the command of A.K. XXI (Saarbrücken), but here we have another B.A. which remains to be identified. I can make out VI or VII.
Is the liner black or brown?
genwiki.genealogy.net
The 138R is well known to the people of Alsace-Lorraine in the Reichsland; in 1887 it was garrisoned in Strasbourg, and from 1906 until the armistice, in Dieuze. The two Ersatz battalions were formed in Bitche and Bischwiller in 1914.
During the war, the JR138 was under the command of A.K. XXI (Saarbrücken), but here we have another B.A. which remains to be identified. I can make out VI or VII.
Is the liner black or brown?
IR 138 – GenWiki
I checked my literature ("Handbuch der Verbände und Truppen des deutschen Heeres 1914-1918", Jürgen Kraus) and that doesn't seem to be the case, locations of the Ersatz Bataillone as per Clovis' reply above.
According to "Führer durch Heer und Flotte", Friedag, 1914, A.K. XXI did not have its own Bekleidungsamt, and B.A. XV was responsible for supplying I.R. 138.
argonne
Well-known member
This is THE question
Simply to know which AK BA first issued this helmet, BA VI (or VII) or BA XV for the JR138 (XXI AK) in peace time.
If the liner is black, it would be very possible that this helmet first was at the JR138 and then moved 1916 to the BA VI or VII. If the liner is brown, it could be both possibilities...Or this helmet has been re-assembled / reconditioned during the war with parts of different damaged helmets.
We saw for a few days on a french forum something similarly disturbing, a helmet marked BA V in the shell but wearers name, rank, Kompanie and Regiments number on the rear visor to a Vizefeldwebel Fischer from the 4/JR99 (or RJR or LJR99) of the XV AK.
Philippe
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The liner is brown. Also next to the regiment stamp is a circular stamp and next to that stamp is a really faded set of numbers. Could that be a different unit the helmet was with?Hello,
The 138R is well known to the people of Alsace-Lorraine in the Reichsland; in 1887 it was garrisoned in Strasbourg, and from 1906 until the armistice, in Dieuze. The two Ersatz battalions were formed in Bitche and Bischwiller in 1914.
During the war, the JR138 was under the command of A.K. XXI (Saarbrücken), but here we have another B.A. which remains to be identified. I can make out VI or VII.
Is the liner black or brown?
IR 138 – GenWiki
In that case I would expect a B.J.A. stamp (Bekleidungs-Instandsetzungs-Amt, clothing repair depot).
That helmet also has a "gb" stamp, indicating that the helmet has passed though a B.J.A. after around October 1916 (when the regulation came into force); the Vizefeldwebel might have received the helmet from the B.J.A.
So just so I’m getting it right since im new. It was sent to the 138th they get sent to the eastern front where they get issued stahlhems in 1916. The pickelhaube gets sent to Breslau where it’s possibly repaired? Then the other two stamps could be a new reserve unit it was sent to?