Chris Liontas
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Gotta tell you guys, I love this thread!!
Thanks a TON for showing this Bavarian helmet
Thanks a TON for showing this Bavarian helmet
Lost Skeleton MOVED FROM OTHER THREAD said:However, use of the mirrored/reversed reserve cross device was not unique to Depaheg. Look at this Bavarian Tschako from Weitze' table at the MAX (not Depaheg):
If Depaheg made these crosses, they must have been supplying them to other helmet makers as well.
Chas
Hi Gus:Gustaf said:The center diamond on the left, at the top edge of this lozenge there is a irragularity in the edge that would not be consistent with a stamping.
Lost Skeleton said:Hi Gus:Gustaf said:The center diamond on the left, at the top edge of this lozenge there is a irragularity in the edge that would not be consistent with a stamping.
I"m not sure I can identify which might be the "center diamond on the left," but I can tell you these diamonds measure less than 5 mm end to end, and that I think you're holding their uniformity to a ridiculously high standard. Dies from this period were not cut by lasers, after all.
I am still convinced this is a cast, and not a cheaply made example, and I think your photos are very well done and show a great deal more detail than can be seen with out a magnifying glassThese are cheaply made crosses requiring less labor to produce than an OR Kokarde. Die flaws are well documented in Imperial German awards (the Preußen KvK comes to mind), and it's often times the postwar copy that doesn't display the legitimate and expected flaw. Furthermore, you're evaluating a digital photo with an area of focus smaller than a postage stamp, which is no substitute for hands on analysis.
Actually, the uniformity is much better on the stamped example, as would be expected, the diamonds are all the same size and shape, with the same smooth edges through out the pattern. As to the ragged edge of the stamping, that is to be expected on a stamped example that would be trimed with snips.Have a look at similar close-ups of the much larger reserve cross on my Lieb Regiment helmet:
I think we can agree from the ragged edges that this is a cliché stamped cross, and to my eyes, the quality and uniformity actually look worse.
There was never any suggestion that hammers or tongs be used, it is a simple matter to determine if an object is hollow or not, as to the importance of this, it is not, it is obvious there is nothing to be learned here.When the helmet is yours, you can poke and prod it as much as you choose with wire or hammers and tongs, but I know that cross is stamped and fail to see why this issue is of such colossal importance. I doubt anyone would even have noticed the anomaly without my calling attention to it.
Chas
Thank you, Jerry.Jerry Rehr said:Oh yeah "I got no dog in this fight."
But this is stamped.
Gus:Gustaf said:There seems to me to be too much crispness to some of the edges (of the diamonds, not the cross)
Lowest-Bidder Admin Help said://Would you two agree to have a few of these postings removed// Or do you want them to remain?
Lost Skeleton said:I have no objection whatsoever to Tony's suggestion.
I have edited this thread and removed postings that got out of hand by everyone involved.Gustaf said:I agree with you that this is an interesting helmet, I think it deserves study, but if the concensus of the members is that they only want to see the photos, then I think it would be best to remove all my posts from this thread. best wishes Gus