Is this a real Braunschweig IR92 helmet?

coert65

coert65

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I saw this at an auction site, but is it real?
As most people, I do not like this auction house.
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Duitsland - Leger/Infanterie - Braunschweig Pickelhaube Mannschaften Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 92 - 1912

Braunschweig, gedragen vanaf 1912. Elegante kwaliteitshelm voor soldaten, compleet met alle toebehoren met bronzen adelaar. Pruisische helmadelaar met bandeau "Mit Gott für Fuerst und Vaterland", daarop een schedel over de bandeau "Peninsula", de ogen en neus zwart geverfd - in de versie voor...
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Greetings, Coert.
 
coert65 said:
I saw this at an auction site, but is it real?
As most people, I do not like this auction house.
www.catawiki.com

Duitsland - Leger/Infanterie - Braunschweig Pickelhaube Mannschaften Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 92 - 1912

Braunschweig, gedragen vanaf 1912. Elegante kwaliteitshelm voor soldaten, compleet met alle toebehoren met bronzen adelaar. Pruisische helmadelaar met bandeau "Mit Gott für Fuerst und Vaterland", daarop een schedel over de bandeau "Peninsula", de ogen en neus zwart geverfd - in de versie voor...
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Greetings, Coert.
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Coert, this helmet looks great on the catalogue of this auction house, and hence it should remain there...
 
2nd.Leibhusar said:
This seller has often offered very questionable pieces on Catawiki and second-hand
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I know Sander, the RBA18 stamp made me wonder if it was real, it isn't.
But I had to be sure, so I asked.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions about this helmet! (y)
 
Thank you very much for providing more information on why someone should go the other way when seeing Pickelhaube so marked.
 
Hello,

However, I would like to have a look at the back of the Wappen. It seems to maybe be good at this distance, without to have it in my hands.

Here is mine, a very clean and perfect one. Never had a chance to find a perfect helmet of this scarce unit, so I nevertheless had the luck to find for a few months this beautiful Apotheker Kopf from an old german household.

Most of encountered Wappen with the crane are fake...(n) This one is 100 original and untouched.
Appreciate the details!

Philippe
;)

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Thank you Philippe for posting all of these great photos. We often see fakes being sold as originals and this detailed post will help collectors from being fooled. You have given us an excellent reference. 👍
 
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argonne said:
// Here is mine, a very clean and perfect one. Never had a chance to find a perfect helmet of this scarce unit, so I nevertheless had the luck to find for a few months this beautiful Apotheker Kopf from an old german household.

Most of encountered Wappen with the crane are fake...(n) This one is 100 original and untouched.
Appreciate the details! //
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Congratulations Philippe! One quick look at the shape of the letters and the pebbling is all it takes. That is a superb example and impossible to find, as any originals are placed onto any helmet, supposedly to increase the value. Usually by an Italian living in Frankfurt.

Ironically, that is how I found my IR92 Totenkopf Wappen. I had to buy a made-up helmet and when it arrived I removed the Wappen and got rid of the helmet.

May I ask what you mean by "Wappen with the crane"? Do you mean the running horse Wappen worn by I and II battalions?
 
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Tony without Kaiser said:
Congratulations Philippe! One quick look at the shape of the letters and the pebbling is all it takes. That is a superb example and impossible to find, as any originals are placed onto any helmet, supposedly to increase the value. Usually by an Italian living in Frankfurt.

Ironically, that is how I found my IR92 Totenkopf Wappen. I had to buy a made-up helmet and when it arrived I removed the Wappen and got rid of the helmet.

May I ask what you mean by "Wappen with the crane"? Do you mean the running horse Wappen worn by I and II battalions?
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Tony, Philippe means "Wappen with the skull".
 
That is sad, as my French is passable when I need it to be, but it did not enter my little brain that "crane" was le crâne.

Enfin je comprends.

I know I have seen your IR92 helmet here Bruno, and I believe Steve (KAGGR#1) has posted his helmet (s) as well. Now Philippe's has this superb Wappen, I have one, and I know of a few in Europe. Certainly there are other originals of course, but I think we can all agree that almost all issued Totenkopf Wappen which come up for sale are replicas.

Philippe may I suggest we separate your Wappen posting from the auction helmet posting? The new Forum platform is unfamiliar to me but I can figure out how to do that.
 
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argonne said:
Hello,

However, I would like to have a look at the back of the Wappen. It seems to maybe be good at this distance, without to have it in my hands.

Here is mine, a very clean and perfect one. Never had a chance to find a perfect helmet of this scarce unit, so I nevertheless had the luck to find for a few months this beautiful Apotheker Kopf from an old german household.

Most of encountered Wappen with the crane are fake...(n) This one is 100 original and untouched.
Appreciate the details!

Philippe
;)

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argonne said:
Hello,

However, I would like to have a look at the back of the Wappen. It seems to maybe be good at this distance, without to have it in my hands.

Here is mine, a very clean and perfect one. Never had a chance to find a perfect helmet of this scarce unit, so I nevertheless had the luck to find for a few months this beautiful Apotheker Kopf from an old german household.

Most of encountered Wappen with the crane are fake...(n) This one is 100 original and untouched.
Appreciate the details!

Philippe
;)

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Philippe could I use your photos for educational purposes on MyViMu.com.?
 
Tony without Kaiser said:
That is sad, as my French is passable when I need it to be, but it did not enter my little brain that "crane" was le crâne.

Enfin je comprends.

I know I have seen your IR92 helmet here Bruno, and I believe Steve (KAGGR#1) has posted his helmet (s) as well. Now Philippe's has this superb Wappen, I have one, and I know of a few in Europe. Certainly there are other originals of course, but I think we can all agree that almost all issued Totenkopf Wappen which come up for sale are replicas.

Philippe may I suggest we separate your Wappen posting from the auction helmet posting? The new Forum platform is unfamiliar to me but I can figure out how to do that.
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Tony, here is an actual "Wappen with the crane(s)"...

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Thank you one and all for the education on details of original wappen of the IR 92 and additional information about IR 96 wappen Crains.
Best regards
John
 
KAGGR#1 said:
So did he mean I R 96 ?
Steve
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No, Steve, Philippe meant 92R, but to describe the plate he used the French word "crane", which means "skull". Then I thought it should be fun to show the only plate - as far as I know - with actual cranes (the birds) on it...
Is it clearer?
 
Yes some of the comments had me scratching my “cranium” but I think I understand clearly now. 😊
 
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