M 1915 Garde du Corp helmet

Hello,
as promised, here are the pictures of my GKR model 15. The hull is perfectly marked Lachmann 1915. I'll make a separate post about the particularities of the shape of cuirassier helmets made by Lachmann. I see that the 2 helmets above, have the same characteristics and would therefore also be Lachmann.
Regarding the M15 plate of my helmet, the star is mono-stamped, including the central pastille (unlike the previous models, where the star is in nickel silver and the central pastille in red tombac).
Here, only, the small black eagle is added, and fixed as traditionally by a metal loop and embroidered by a leather corner.
I will come back to the other miscellaneous questions.

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This all-steel helmet is the model for combat and the field front. We will see in the post below that the GdC detachment, in charge of the ceremonies and escorts of the Kaiser had a M89-94 helmet always in noble metal fittings, except for the shell which was in copper plated steel.
 
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CLOVIS 57 said:
Hello,
as promised, here are the pictures of my GKR model 15. The hull is perfectly marked Lachmann 1915. I'll make a separate post about the particularities of the shape of cuirassier helmets made by Lachmann. I see that the 2 helmets above, have the same characteristics and would therefore also be Lachmann.
Regarding the M15 plate of my helmet, the star is mono-stamped, including the central pastille (unlike the previous models, where the star is in nickel silver and the central pastille in red tombac).
Here only the small black eagle is added, and fixed as traditionally by a metal loop and embroidered by a leather corner.
I will come back to the other miscellaneous questions.

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Great helmet
Thanks for the excellent photos
No question about this one
Steve
 
CLOVIS 57 said:
Hello,
as promised, here are the pictures of my GKR model 15. The hull is perfectly marked Lachmann 1915. I'll make a separate post about the particularities of the shape of cuirassier helmets made by Lachmann. I see that the 2 helmets above, have the same characteristics and would therefore also be Lachmann.
Regarding the M15 plate of my helmet, the star is mono-stamped, including the central pastille (unlike the previous models, where the star is in nickel silver and the central pastille in red tombac).
Here only the small black eagle is added, and fixed as traditionally by a metal loop and embroidered by a leather corner.
I will come back to the other miscellaneous questions.

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I have a question that I had never thought of until
you posted these photos .
We have all seen that sometimes the metal body Kurassiere
e m helmets are marked under the kokard
as is the case with your G.K.R. helmet
was the stamping done by the helmet maker
or was it done at the Kammer ?
Thanks
Steve
 
Thank you for your congratulations.
To answer Steve, all unit indications (B.A. or Regiment) are exclusively markings made either at the corps store (Bekleidungsamt) or at the regiment store. The manufacturers marked only their own name (Clemen, Juncker, Nachtigall etc...). The R or B.A. marking was the property mark of the army, therefore only on the so-called "statutory" helmets (Kammer), in contrast to the private purchase helmets (Eigentum).

The pictures below compare a GKR M60/67 and a GKR M15. Both are in service or field dress. Half a century separates these 2 helmets!

GKR# M62-67 &M15.JPG

The 1853 hull is ogival, it is shortened of 2cm in 1862, and in 1867, one reinforces the part under cockade by a hem-jonc in nickel silver, in edge.
GKR# M62 & M15.JPGGKR# M62-67 et M15.JPG

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Nacuaa said:
I love these helmets and keep a file of images on them. What I have questions about however is what the Garde du Corps, Garde Kurassier, Garde Reiter regiments actually did when they wore them? Were they worn in Berlin with feldgrau uniforms on parade? Were they assigned special tasks in the field? Were they expected to function as cavalry units? Do we have any posts on this on the site?
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The regiment of GKR and GdC formed the 1 Garde-Kavallerie-Brigade, of the 1 Garde-Kavallerie-Division.
These two regiments were deployed on the Western Front in 14 and then on the Eastern Front in 15, which is how we can find this type of helmet, here in Northern France or in Belgium for example. (M15 Guard-field helmet in feldgrau steel).
Likewise, my M53, 62 and 67 helmets of GKR or GdC come from Metz, knowing that the 1st Garde-Kavallerie-Brigade, was engaged during the battle of Gravelotte-Saint-Privat in August 1870. ((but in 1870, the ceremonial helmet was the same as the combat helmet, except for the interchangeable crest).)

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Regarding the helmets:
---The GKR or GdC M15 helmet as supra, either polished steel, feldgrau trim, and with spiked crest, topped the riders at the front, under cover of the Überzug (helmet cover). It is indeed a combat helmet for these two regiments in the field.
---Jean-Louis Larcade mentions in his book, that the GdC and GKR, were covered, for the guard of honor and the escorts in Berlin, with an identical helmet, but in brass-plated metal and an eagle-crest in zamac, absolutely identical in quality and noble metals as the M89-94 (chinstrap with scales in tombac, eagle in silver-plated zamac, front star-guard in nickel silver).

Here is the demonstration of the existence of the M15 of apparat and escort (2 photos below) :
GdC-GKR M15 tôle d'acier cuivré.jpgGdC-GKR M15 acier cuivré.jpg
I know that after 1915, a collection of copper-plated steel helmets remained in Berlin for the squadron attached to the Kaiser's palace. I have a photo in my archives of such a helmet, which is made of copper-plated steel sheet but with the crest eagle, the M94 chinstrap with tombac scales and the silver zamak eagle. The crest eagle is made of Kriegsmetal (zamack and no longer nickel silver) and the guard star is the old nickel silver model, with threaded studs and square nuts. That's why there are two round holes in the front of the hull, both lines are for the M15 stern guard in feldgrau steel. Externally, this M15 ceremonial helmet was identical to the M89-94 model of the GdC-GKR, except for the shell (Jean-Louis Larcade Tome 2 page 23). Thus this small series was specific, with the squadron of ceremony, remaining in Berlin and Potsdam. The 1st Brigade of Guard-Kavallerie (GdC and GKR) engaged at the front in 1914 was, it, topped with the present helmets in steingrau steel.

That's why there are 2 round holes in the front of the hull, the 2 lines are for the M15 stern guard in feldgrau steel.
By the way, my hull was also drilled round for the threaded studs and oval for the wire bridges.
GKR M15.GIF
Nota bene: The same observation can be made during WW2, with the detachment of the Leibstandarte S.S. A.H. which was in black uniform of the Allgemeine, at the Reich Chancellery. Whereas the rest of the regiment in the field was in "Waffen", that is to say in khaki or camouflaged clothing.
 
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CLOVIS 57 said:
The regiment of GKR and GdC formed the 1 Garde-Kavallerie-Brigade, of the 1 Garde-Kavallerie-Division.
These two regiments were deployed on the Western Front in 14 and then on the Eastern Front in 15, which is how we can find this type of helmet, here in Northern France or in Belgium for example. (M15 Guard-field helmet in feldgrau steel).
Likewise, my M53, 62 and 67 helmets of GKR or GdC come from Metz, knowing that the 1st Garde-Kavallerie-Brigade, was engaged during the battle of Gravelotte-Saint-Privat in August 1870. ((but in 1870, the ceremonial helmet was the same as the combat helmet, except for the interchangeable crest).)

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Regarding the helmets:
---The GKR or GdC M15 helmet as supra, either polished steel, feldgrau trim, and with spiked crest, topped the riders at the front, under cover of the Überzug (helmet cover). It is indeed a combat helmet for these two regiments in the field.
---Jean-Louis Larcade mentions in his book, that the GdC and GKR, were covered, for the guard of honor and the escorts in Berlin, with an identical helmet, but in brass-plated metal and an eagle-crest in zamac, absolutely identical in quality and noble metals as the M89-94 (chinstrap with scales in tombac, eagle in silver-plated zamac, front star-guard in nickel silver).

Here is the demonstration of the existence of the M15 of apparat and escort (2 photos below) :
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I know that after 1915, a collection of copper-plated steel helmets remained in Berlin for the squadron attached to the Kaiser's palace. I have a photo in my archives of such a helmet, which is made of copper-plated steel sheet but with the crest eagle, the M94 chinstrap with tombac scales and the silver zamak eagle. The crest eagle is made of Kriegsmetal (zamack and no longer nickel silver) and the guard star is the old nickel silver model, with threaded studs and square nuts. That's why there are two round holes in the front of the hull, both lines are for the M15 stern guard in feldgrau steel. Externally, this M15 ceremonial helmet was identical to the M89-94 model of the GdC-GKR, except for the shell (Jean-Louis Larcade Tome 2 page 23). Thus this small series was specific, with the squadron of ceremony, remaining in Berlin and Potsdam. The 1st Brigade of Guard-Kavallerie (GdC and GKR) engaged at the front in 1914 was, it, topped with the present helmets in steingrau steel.

That's why there are 2 round holes in the front of the hull, the 2 lines are for the M15 stern guard in feldgrau steel.
By the way, my hull was also drilled round for the threaded studs and oval for the wire bridges.
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Nota bene: The same observation can be made during WW2, with the detachment of the Leibstandarte S.S. A.H. which was in black uniform of the Allgemeine, at the Reich Chancellery. Whereas the rest of the regiment in the field was in "Waffen", that is to say in khaki or camouflaged clothing.
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Thank you for the information on regimental deployment in the field and on parade. The remark on brass plated helmets may answer an enigma. This is an entirely brass plated steel helmet including spike with a stamped brass line eagleand brass chin strap fittings. I purchased in 1968 for $75.00 (I let it go in the 1990's believing that it was some kind of weird veteran's trophy). Ten years ago I spotted a very similar helmet on the Great War Militaria site. I have never seen any other discussion of brass plated helmets. This is the only photo I have.
 

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Nacuaa said:
Je l'ai acheté en 1968 pour 75,00 $ (je l'ai laissé tomber dans les années 1990 en pensant que c'était une sorte de trophée de vétéran étrange). Il y a dix ans, j'ai repéré un casque très similaire sur le site Great War Militaria. Je n'ai jamais vu d'autre discussion sur les casques plaqués laiton. C'est la seule photo que j'ai.
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Hello Nacuaa :
The one in your picture is also a Lachmann because of its specific shape. I forgot to mention above, that 4 regiments had copper-plated or brass-plated M15 helmets:
---The Prussian GKR and GdC
---The KR6, with nickel silver eagle.
---And the Saxon Garde-Reiter.
The one you show us can only be the KR6 model 1915.
 
Fascinating!... and yet it makes me kind of sad. I wish I had still had it. I showed it to a collector who thought it was entirely made up. But there are always more treasures to look forward to. One thing I have learned from this site is to trust your instincts, don't listen to "experts" who just criticize a piece off hand or try to make you feel ignorant... and most importantly wait patiently until we have these discussions and get more information on Pickelhaubes.com.
 
As promised, here's mine. It's a Lachmann, the bomb is a specific shape, less ogival and with a more vertical neck cover. (See photo for comparison with a Juncker).
The first photo shows an M67 head to head with an M15.

GKR# M62-67 &M15.JPGKR M15# Juncker et Lachmann.JPGGKR M15 Lachmann_.JPGGKR M15 pointe M15 spécialeKur.JPGGKR M15 Visière longue étroite.JPGGKR M15 nuque longue rectiligne.JPGGKR M15 marque Lachmann.JPG

GKR M15 Lachmann.JPG
The GKR and GdC were strictly the same apart from the regimental markings. (M62, M67, M89, M89/94, M15) Here, they are both in service or campaign dress. For ceremonies, imperial escorts and Palace guards, the point was replaced by the eagle crest.
 
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