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pointystuff

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What words would have been on the cross for the busby of a man in the Landwehr cavalry discussed above?
Also, would the officers have worn a small cross on the Feldzeichen?
 

Glennj

Active member
Joe,

why this individual has a cover that is specifically identified to HR 17

From Kraus, 1st edition, volume 2, page 599:

...According to regulations they wore the uniform of the regiment from which they were formed, also with that number on the shoulder straps. However, on helmets and caps, the white or yellow Landwehr Cross like reserve troops. At first, no insignia was worn on the helmet cover. Only with the orders of 15 and 17 August 1914 respectively was a green "L" with the number of the unit placed on the cover. The number should be that of the forming regiment....

What words would have been on the cross for the busby of a man in the Landwehr cavalry discussed above?
Also, would the officers have worn a small cross on the Feldzeichen?

A Braunschweig Landwehrkreuz should have had the words "Mit Gott für Fürst und Vaterland".

According to the officers' dress regulations of 1911, only the reserve officers of Hussar Regiments 1 & 2 wore the Landwehrkreuz on the Feldzeichen, the remainder on the busby. By rights, Landwehr Cavalry officers would have worn the dragoon style uniform as shown below.

Regards
Glenn

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pointystuff

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"According to the officers' dress regulations of 1911, only the reserve officers of Hussar Regiments 1 & 2 wore the Landwehrkreuz on the Feldzeichen, the remainder on the busby."

That's what I thought. However, on p. 53 of The German Army in the First World War, there appears to be a 17th Hussars officer plate with a gold feldzeichen above it---and the field badge has a small gold cross on it. It's next to a skull/field badge for the Leib Hussars 1 and 2 with the small cross on the field badge.

I don't get it. Is the color plate showing a non-regulation item for HR 17, or did the regulations change after 1911? :-k
 

911car

Well-known member
Thank you Glenn for the useful informations!
I often refer to "Reserve" generically, including Reserve, Landwehr and Landsturm... I know this is approximative.

According to Larcade, Braunschweig Landwehr-Kavallerie officers wore the Dragoner officer helmet, with the Braunschweig enameled emblem affixed to the Dragoner eagle (bearing no motto). He does confirm that to his knowledge no Reserve and Landwehr HR17 regiments ever existed.

Bruno
 

Glennj

Active member
PS,

just had another look at the dress regulations and the Brunswickers were sneakily placed in a section further back. :wink:

I quote from Paragraph 167, sub paragraph C:

For reserve officers, no scroll, they wear the silver Landwehr cross on the blue centre of the Feldzeichen.

Regards
Glenn
 

Tony without Kaiser

Departed
Staff member
Bruno, Do you want me to bust all the HR17 posts into a new thread? What started out as a thread about a helmet I could only dream about, took a hard right turn to Husaren. I am still hoping to see photos of the M91 IR92.
 

pointystuff

Active member
The cross pictured in the Kraus book appears to be gold, in keeping with the busby ribbon.
The regulation calls for a silver cross? ](*,)



Glennj said:
PS,

just had another look at the dress regulations and the Brunswickers were sneakily placed in a section further back. :wink:

I quote from Paragraph 167, sub paragraph C:

For reserve officers, no scroll, they wear the silver Landwehr cross on the blue centre of the Feldzeichen.

Regards
Glenn
 

Glennj

Active member
PS,

Kraus' plate is from the Pietsch, Collas & Knötel Das Deutsche Heer . That work is generally reliable but the regulations definitely state das versilberte Landwehrkreuz auf der blauen Füllung des Feldzeichens.

Regards
Glenn
 

911car

Well-known member
Ooops... sorry Tony, here they are. As you may be able to see on the first one, ventilation can be shut on and off with the revolving spike, which is usual on a M91 model.
As of the thread it is up to you; I have nothing against a single thread on Braunschweig regiments...

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Josias

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Hi Folks, randomly reviving this thread if you would excuse me.
I ran across a metal cigarette case seems to be possibly for LHR17 which was discussed here, field engraved as a gift for Christmas?, tarnishes on the surface is giving me hard time reading them but it definitely looks like "III. Landw Hus17" on it.
Any of you folks have any lead on this regard?

Full Photos:
Thank you very much in advance.
 
III Landw. Esk. Hus17
Weihn. 1914
i. Belgien

3rd Landwehr Squadron Hussar Regiment 17
Christmas 1914
in Belgium

Trenchart
 

911car

Well-known member
The Feldabzeichen isn't Prussian, it is one of the old Braunschweigers.
Or a post-1897 Braunschweiger, after they recovered their blue/yellow sign. Or did you write this because the busby looks higher in size, suggesting an older model?
 

cptbob

Well-known member
Or a post-1897 Braunschweiger, after they recovered their blue/yellow sign. Or did you write this because the busby looks higher in size, suggesting an older model?
Never mind....I got them confused...Doh!
 
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