chrisutter
Member
Here is another Pickelhaube,
more precisions about regiment, date, model would be very much apreciated,
Thank you in advance
more precisions about regiment, date, model would be very much apreciated,
Thank you in advance
Prussian officer helmet
- Thread starter chrisutter
- Start date
Hello and welcome!
Well, first, what is your own opinion about this helmet? Did you check the existing documentation, of which there is no shortage? How about the abundant information available on this forum? This is what you should do first as a beginner. Make your own idea.
Then, of course, always happy to help, confirm, further document if possible...
Well, first, what is your own opinion about this helmet? Did you check the existing documentation, of which there is no shortage? How about the abundant information available on this forum? This is what you should do first as a beginner. Make your own idea.
Then, of course, always happy to help, confirm, further document if possible...
chrisutter
Member
Thank you,
So I should also make my part of the homework,
I do agreee with that,
so here are the results of my first searches :
it's a M1895 model for a prussian officer,
At the other hand I need some rather quick pieces of infos, in my current situation, and as a beginner.
that's why I choose to get member of this forum,
Thank you for your comprehension.
So I should also make my part of the homework,
I do agreee with that,
so here are the results of my first searches :
it's a M1895 model for a prussian officer,
At the other hand I need some rather quick pieces of infos, in my current situation, and as a beginner.
that's why I choose to get member of this forum,
Thank you for your comprehension.
Good start.
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Alsatian Dragoner
Hi everyone, I recently acquired this. Not a rare helmet but absolutely untouched, and condition is lovely. Named to a soldier (Venutov?..) in DR14, which was based in Colmar (Elsass). Bruno
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chrisutter
Member
Very interesting, thank you.
So it's a dragon officer, but not necessarly the DR14, isn't it, it could be from evry other prussian dragon regiment yes ?
So it's a dragon officer, but not necessarly the DR14, isn't it, it could be from evry other prussian dragon regiment yes ?
chrisutter
Member
except that some plates are of specific models for specific regiments, which doesn't seem to be the case for this one
SkipperJohn
Well-known member
This is a Prussian Dragoon Officer helmet, post-1897, and could very well belong to DR14.
Beautiful piece.
By the way --- the homework never ends.
John
Beautiful piece.
By the way --- the homework never ends.
John
My impression has also been that the sweatband with holes like this piece is post war. However, this is still a very nice example of a Prussian Dragoon Officer Pickelhaube. DR 14 did not have any unique distinction on its helmets neither did DR 7,8,11,13 etc so this piece could also have come from any one of these Regiments as well. DR 14 also wore a black horse hair plume when on parade as did many DR regiments.
chrisutter
Member
thank you very much !
Naprawiacz
Well-known member
This pickelhaube dates from 1909.Please see the number on the D.R.P.
1
D.R.P.
Deutsches Reichspatent
D.R.G.M.
Deutsche Reich Gebrauchs Muster
1877 - 1945
Jahr D.R.P.
1877
x -3411
1878
3412 - 6679
1879
6680 - 11626
1880
11627 - 15416
1881
15417 - 18780
1882
18781 - 24288
1883
24289 - 27473
1884
27474 - 32827
1885
32828 - 34234
1886
34235 - 38146
1887
38147 - 42053
1888
42054 - 46038
1889
46039 - 50360
1890
50361 - 55109
1891
55110 - 60637
1892
60638 - 66524
1893
66525 - 73048
1894
73049 - 79009
1895
79010 - 84731
1896
84732 - 90382
1897
90383 - 95758
1898
95759 - 101372
1899
101373 - 108398
1900
108399 - 116997
1901
116998 - 127464
1902
127465 - 138166
1903
138167 - 148046
1904
148047 - 157582
1905
157583 - 167075
1906
167076 - 180522
1907
180523 - 193391
Zuordnung von Patentnummern zum Ausgabejahr zur
Abschätzung des Produktionsjahres
Jahr D.R.G.M.
1891
x - 2056
1892
2057 - 8972
1893
8973 - 20295
1894
20296 - 33473
1895
33474 - 49316
1896
49317 - 67052
1897
67053 - 85651
1898
85652 - 108672
1899
108673 - 126198
1900
126199 - 144790
1901
144791 - 165285
1902
165286 - 189298
1903
189299 - 214121
1904
214122 - 238941
1905
238942 - 266693
1906
266694 - 294709
1907
294710 - 325053
2
Jahr D.R.P.
1908
193392 - 205494
1909
205495 - 217299
1910
217300 - 229496
1911
229497 - 242088
1912
242089 - 255067
1913
255068 - 268710
Page 1 |
1
D.R.P.
Deutsches Reichspatent
D.R.G.M.
Deutsche Reich Gebrauchs Muster
1877 - 1945
Jahr D.R.P.
1877
x -3411
1878
3412 - 6679
1879
6680 - 11626
1880
11627 - 15416
1881
15417 - 18780
1882
18781 - 24288
1883
24289 - 27473
1884
27474 - 32827
1885
32828 - 34234
1886
34235 - 38146
1887
38147 - 42053
1888
42054 - 46038
1889
46039 - 50360
1890
50361 - 55109
1891
55110 - 60637
1892
60638 - 66524
1893
66525 - 73048
1894
73049 - 79009
1895
79010 - 84731
1896
84732 - 90382
1897
90383 - 95758
1898
95759 - 101372
1899
101373 - 108398
1900
108399 - 116997
1901
116998 - 127464
1902
127465 - 138166
1903
138167 - 148046
1904
148047 - 157582
1905
157583 - 167075
1906
167076 - 180522
1907
180523 - 193391
Zuordnung von Patentnummern zum Ausgabejahr zur
Abschätzung des Produktionsjahres
Jahr D.R.G.M.
1891
x - 2056
1892
2057 - 8972
1893
8973 - 20295
1894
20296 - 33473
1895
33474 - 49316
1896
49317 - 67052
1897
67053 - 85651
1898
85652 - 108672
1899
108673 - 126198
1900
126199 - 144790
1901
144791 - 165285
1902
165286 - 189298
1903
189299 - 214121
1904
214122 - 238941
1905
238942 - 266693
1906
266694 - 294709
1907
294710 - 325053
Page 2 |
2
Jahr D.R.P.
1908
193392 - 205494
1909
205495 - 217299
1910
217300 - 229496
1911
229497 - 242088
1912
242089 - 255067
1913
255068 - 268710
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KAGGR#1
Well-known member
Well that is sure very interesting information .
# 215452 is in the series for 1909
My question is ; If you will share ; Where did your information come from ?
Thanks if you will share .
A nice helmet
Most of us collectors do not get that nice of a helmet on our first try .
Steve
# 215452 is in the series for 1909
My question is ; If you will share ; Where did your information come from ?
Thanks if you will share .
A nice helmet
Most of us collectors do not get that nice of a helmet on our first try .
Steve
Amybellars
Well-known member
You are so right. When I started, I bought the an ordinary looking prussian ors
Naprawiacz
Well-known member
For those interested in the patent numbers, I provide a link.https://www.optical-toys.com/files/Dokumente/AAA - Einzeldokumente/Patentnummern Deutschland.pdf
CLOVIS 57
Well-known member
Hello,
A few small details:
It is indeed a Prussian Dragon officer's helmet "with gilded brass fittings". The helmets of officers being of private purchase, they are never regimented (unlike those of troops which belonged to the army). So apart from the name of its bearer, we cannot know which regiment was, the DR14 is possible ... like other ... Prussians ... gilded with the standard dragon eagle.
The vintages of the models are less numerous among the officers than for the troops. Here it is the model 1871, (rosettes with welded pawls) because it has never been modified thereafter. The high point confirms the date of the patent, which is fashionable after 1900, the same for the silk headdress which only appeared around 1885.
A few small details:
It is indeed a Prussian Dragon officer's helmet "with gilded brass fittings". The helmets of officers being of private purchase, they are never regimented (unlike those of troops which belonged to the army). So apart from the name of its bearer, we cannot know which regiment was, the DR14 is possible ... like other ... Prussians ... gilded with the standard dragon eagle.
The vintages of the models are less numerous among the officers than for the troops. Here it is the model 1871, (rosettes with welded pawls) because it has never been modified thereafter. The high point confirms the date of the patent, which is fashionable after 1900, the same for the silk headdress which only appeared around 1885.