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Good evening gentlemen,

A friend of mine just picked this helmet up and was wanting to know some specifics on it, I must admit I don't know much about these oddball medical/ administrative helmets so I was hoping the forum members could help me properly identify it. I also must apologize these are the only images I have so far and they aren't the most detailed shots.

Thank you,
USN

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Looks like a doctor's pickelhaube.I present mine in the pictures.Veterinary pickelhaube or medical pickelhaube and Militär-Apotheker pickelhaube.That's all I have. Regards.
Wojtek
 

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I must admit I cannot for the life of me tell how you determine that it is medical or administrative. Regardless beautiful helmets that I would want in my collection as in my mind they are all "military" (except police etc. of course), but then again the police ones etc. are great too. I guess I just love all Pickelhauben.

Peter
 
Nice Awes quality helmet but it has seen some use. These Beamte helmets always seem to have Dragoner characteristics with a Prussian infantry officer wappen on them. I have a few photo copied pages in German on the different Beamte helmets sent to me by Randy Trawnik years ago. I will track these down and see what I can find.
 
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These have always been a mystery to me as well and it seems many collectors don't study them enough to have the in depth details compared to the typical combatant pickelhaubes.
 
this type of Beamte helmet without small Adler on wappen is mainly called a Higher or Lower Military officials helmet according to Stubbs, with the stars and officer parts I would call it a Higher Military official helmet.

I sold one of these with koffer last year at SOS, you do not see them that often.

Not a lot known on these helmets...

James
 
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The guy who has it is looking to sell it at the moment, interesting that a helmet like this has such little information on it.
 
Peter is all a coincidence.A colleague has a pickelhaube of a doctor with his signature on the skin and a distinctive wappen without the bandau of the homeland.Weitze auction house also describes this wappen as a doctor or military veterinarian.Interestingly, prior to 1872, Stabsroßarzt and Roßarzt-otherwise Staff Surgeon and Grand Surgeon-were wearing a kugelhelm.A rectangular visor was used before 1908.Between 1908 and 1917, the visor had to be semicircular,and this was due to the 1908 dress code for Prussian military officials.
 
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A pre 15 May 1905 helmet for a military official of one the following branches of the military administration:

War ministry
Proviantämter (Provisions offices)
Garnisonverwaltung (Garrison administration)
Bekleidungsämter (Clothing offices)
Lazarethbeamte (Hospital officials)

The AKO of 15 May 1905 introduced the small officials' shield for wear on the helmet plate.

Regards
Glenn
 
Naprawiacz said:
Peter is all a coincidence.A colleague has a pickelhaube of a doctor with his signature on the skin and a distinctive wappen without the bandau of the homeland.Weitze auction house also describes this wappen as a doctor or military veterinarian.Interestingly, prior to 1872, Stabsroßarzt and Roßarzt-otherwise Staff Surgeon and Grand Surgeon-were wearing a kugelhelm.A rectangular visor was used before 1908.Between 1908 and 1917, the visor had to be semicircular,and this was due to the 1908 dress code for Prussian military officials.
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Allow me to provide an overview of the development of the veterinary surgeons' helmet from 1863 onwards. The AKO of 9 January 1863 introduced the leather helmet with ball, golden heraldic eagle with "FR" cypher. Presumably with a cruciform spike base and square edged front peak with the 1860 pattern.

The 1868 "Reglement über die Bekleidung" confirms that the veterinary personnel - Stabsroßarzt, Roßart and Unterroßarzt (all still senior NCOs) wear still wearing a helmet with ball, however it further notes the "Mit Gott für König und Vaterland" was in use. This would be not be unusual as these guys were serving soldiers and not officials.

The AKO of 24 June 1872 introduced two new ranks; that of Korps-Roßarzt and Oberroßarzt. These gentlemen were officials and held the equivalence of officers' rank. The introductory order simply states that the helmet is of the pattern as worn by the former Stabsroßarzt and Roßarzt i.e. Foot artillery pattern with rounded peak and ball.

The instructions for the military veterinary service of 15 January 1874 finally introduced the spike instead of the ball as described below: Helmet - with golden fittings, normal spike and star studs as per military officials. The Roßarzt and Unterroßarzt are detailed as wearing the infantry helmet with FR and Bandeau as before. Although not explicitly stated, the veterinary officials also wore the Bandeau as confirmed by the Uniformirungsliste of 1876 and the officials' clothing regulations of 1902 (Basically an infantry officers' helmet and exactly the same as the Zahlmeister but with gold instead of silver fittings.) The small Beamten Shield was added in 1905. With the creation of a corps of veterinary officers effective 1 April 1910, the Beamten shield was of course removed for those electing to transfer into officer status.

Regards
Glenn
 
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