Weitze Friday update May 31
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GardeUlan
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Dear Steve,
Thank you for highlighting this! Interesting, he had this helmet for a couple of years on sale.
Best wishes
GardeUlan
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The Kasket Modell 1818 for Chevaulegers was sold in an Hermann Historica Auction many years ago. Weitze bought it there for 8.000€, there was no other bid on it. Then he offerd it in his shop for 20.000€ (indeed an super rare item, but a waaaaaaaaaay to expensiv in my opinion). But at least he found a buyer for it...
KAGGR#1
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I either had not seen it before or I did not remember it
so i thought that it was a new listing
Steve
KAGGR#1
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Bayern Kasket Model 1818 for Officers of the Chevaulegers Regiments
Elegant helmet, c. 1820. Tall black leather bell, complete with all fittings in fire-gilded finish. Large oval helmet emblem with crowned cipher "MJK", gold-plated chain with 2 ball-head rivets all around, below the gold-plated brass band with inscription "Chev:legers Regiment". The broad gilded scale chains with humped rosettes were worn to the back. On the left side the silver officer's cockade with crowned cipher "MJK" and the holder with wing screw for the large original spring support made of chick feathers, below with blue/white woven root. Above the large, magnificent bearskin caterpillar. Inside with the original leather sweatband and light-colored lining in officer's quality. The helmet is only lightly worn in beautiful original condition.Extremely rare, only very few originals are known worldwide.
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KAGGR#1
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Weitze is known to buy at both the HH & Kube auctions
He seems to be able to hold out until he gets his asking price .
Steve
John Josef
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Funny you mention that one Steve, I've been watching that one for a few years. I really liked the look of it, but it fell into that period of History where that kind of money just doesn't make sense at least to me.
It's a super rare Helmet in beautifully restored condition and if it was from and worn during the Napoleonic Wars, I would have lost sleep even at that super high price until I could've somehow have convinced my wife that 20,000 euros was a sound investment for a helmet that only I would have an interest in looking at and really has no practical function.
Weitze is world famous with thousands of people looking at his site every week hoping that a "new" Helmet will pop up that can fill that void and give pleasure to its new owner, but this one sat on a shelf for several years. At 20k + (which in my opinion is double its true value) the average collector would have zero chance of getting out of this Helmet should the need arise. I'm sure it went to someone who could care less about the cost and has absolutely no worries of a possible resale at some point.
I would also add he has some ebay shoppers working for him as well. I've seen several ebay sales resurface on his site. Cheers John Josef
It's a super rare Helmet in beautifully restored condition and if it was from and worn during the Napoleonic Wars, I would have lost sleep even at that super high price until I could've somehow have convinced my wife that 20,000 euros was a sound investment for a helmet that only I would have an interest in looking at and really has no practical function.
Weitze is world famous with thousands of people looking at his site every week hoping that a "new" Helmet will pop up that can fill that void and give pleasure to its new owner, but this one sat on a shelf for several years. At 20k + (which in my opinion is double its true value) the average collector would have zero chance of getting out of this Helmet should the need arise. I'm sure it went to someone who could care less about the cost and has absolutely no worries of a possible resale at some point.
I would also add he has some ebay shoppers working for him as well. I've seen several ebay sales resurface on his site. Cheers John Josef
KAGGR#1
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Interesting postFunny you mention that one Steve, I've been watching that one for a few years. I really liked the look of it, but it fell into that period of History where that kind of money just doesn't make sense at least to me.
It's a super rare Helmet in beautifully restored condition and if it was from and worn during the Napoleonic Wars, I would have lost sleep even at that super high price until I could've somehow have convinced my wife that 20,000 euros was a sound investment for a helmet that only I would have an interest in looking at and really has no practical function.
Weitze is world famous with thousands of people looking at his site every week hoping that a "new" Helmet will pop up that can fill that void and give pleasure to its new owner, but this one sat on a shelf for several years. At 20k + (which in my opinion is double its true value) the average collector would have zero chance of getting out of this Helmet should the need arise. I'm sure it went to someone who could care less about the cost and has absolutely no worries of a possible resale at some point.
I would also add he has some ebay shoppers working for him as well. I've seen several ebay sales resurface on his site. Cheers John Josef
I agree
I have not caught the EBay part
as I do not look there very often
Thanks
for the post
I have come to the conclusion that money spent on Military is better than most things
food and drink ( above normal meals ) is long gone
fine , expensive wines are long gone
money on the collection , while maybe not 100 % recovered
we must figure in the "enjoyment factor "
see how I can talk myself into anything
IF given the time to think about it ?
Steve
Jeff R
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GardeUlan
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GardeUlan
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Königreich Hannover Pickelhaube Modell 1847 zur Parade aus dem Besitz von Ernst August I. König von Hannover als Chef des Leibregiment - Hannover - Kaiserreich & Weimarer Rep.: Uniformen, Kopfbedeckungen, Stahlhelme etc. - Militaria / Helmut Weitze
Königreich Hannover Pickelhaube Modell 1847 zur Parade aus dem Besitz von Ernst August I. König von Hannover als Chef des Leibregiment Um 1850. Eleganter hoher Lederhelm, komplett mit allen Beschlägen in
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Hessen-Darmstadt Pickelhaube Modell 1849 für Offiziere der Infanterie - Hessen-Darmstadt - Kaiserreich & Weimarer Rep.: Uniformen, Kopfbedeckungen, Stahlhelme etc. - Militaria / Helmut Weitze
Hessen-Darmstadt Pickelhaube Modell 1849 für Offiziere der Infanterie Hoher schwerer Lederhelm, komplett mit allen Beschlägen in feuervergoldeter Ausführung. Besonders schön geprägtes Helmemblem mit dem stehenden hessischen Löwen im offenen Lorbeer- und
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Maybe a coincidence, but some other old models seem to have been sold, too.
Best wishes,
GardeUlan
John Josef
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That sounds about right, I know it's been a long time. Which goes back to my comment of it being overpriced (IMO) and a dead-end purchase which means when you buy it it's yours for life and maybe a generational purchase.
I'm sure I'm no different from every other collector when making purchases, we like to feel we are getting good value for the money. And in the back of our minds, we are thinking that if for whatever reason we may need to sell in our lifetime, bad health, death in the family or just other expenses like one of any unforeseen problems which do happen we would be able to sell an item to recoup at least what we paid or hopefully a little more.
But and it's a big but we do sometimes love an item so much that we just have to have it and will pay way more than it's worth and really wouldn't sell for any reason.
This Helmet is one of those purchases IMO. Even with all of HM's marketing power he couldn't sell it for 7 years, so what chance would one of us or our significate other or surviving family member have selling it when we are gone 0%.
That to me is a bad investment.
At least that's what I'm telling myself while I'm still looking for a Napoleonic era Raupenhelm for my collection.
Man, that condition was beautiful
