Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 115

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Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 115

Post by Lost Skeleton » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:35 pm

This was an SOS pickup. I had been wanting one of these for ages to complement my Hessen Leib-Dragoner-Regt. Pickelhaube. Please click HERE for details regarding that helmet. However, I never seemed to find a specimen to my liking — or one that suited my budget. I may have taxed the budget somewhat, but I won't regret adding this to my collection.

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M1895 O/R helmet with 1897 Neusilber furniture. Note the heavy Knopf 91 keeper on the original chinstrap

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Note the M95 rear spine with ventilation shutter — unusual for Hessen, but I have no reason to doubt it

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The 1621 banderole is attached via threaded posts, nuts and washers. The Hessen Wappen employs M95 soldered loops and leather wedges

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The Stempel is faint. My best interpretation is a boxed capital D (presumably for Darmstadt) followed by I.R. 115

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by SkipperJohn » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:38 pm

Beautiful. Congratulations.

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by poniatowski » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:14 pm

Sweet! I had a chance to buy one years ago and should've 'taxed my budget' a bit.

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by KAGGR#1 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:30 pm

None of my business
if you care to tell me that
but
Did it come from Weitze ?
I saw a very nice one like that on his table .
At any rate where ever or who ever
you did well
that is one great looking helmet
and 1 of the few non - Prussian helmets
that I wish that I had

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by Lost Skeleton » Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:00 am

Hi Steve:

Yes, I purchased the helmet from Herr Weitze.

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Post by Adler » Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:41 am

Outstanding!

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Post by J.LeBrasseur » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:55 am

Very nice Charles, glad I got to see it at the show

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Post by Blinker » Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:27 pm

Just one word: Beautifull! :D

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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:17 pm

Nicely done Chas. You would be hard pressed to find a better example. This regiment has such an incredible Wappen.

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Post by mauihiu » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:48 am

I actually looked at that helmet. Congratulations on a fabulous pickup!
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Post by pickelhauben » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:18 am

I like it !!

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by argonne » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:33 pm

Regarding this stamp example of the JR115 :

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And the stamp on your helmet, after a small "color balancing"

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I may think that your stamp is reading: IB JR 115 or IIB JR 115 The unit is placed in a separate block as the Bataillon number too. In your example, both blocks are jointed through exact linear stamping.

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by Pickelhaube » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:33 pm

Superb helmet!!!!

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by edwin » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:58 am

Very nice :D

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Post by b.loree » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:17 am

I also was fortunate to see this piece at the SOS,... excellent Chas. Congratulations on another fine example to add to your collection.
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Post by Westfront » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:10 am

That is a beautiful helmet :thumb up:

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by KAGGR#1 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:47 pm

Of course I did see every helmet purchased at the S O S
I did see a very nice Prussian H R 8 Otter fur Husaren
but maybe I M O
you got the best helmet at the show
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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by Lost Skeleton » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:41 am

argonne wrote:I may think that your stamp is reading: IB JR 115 or IIB JR 115 The unit is placed in a separate block as the Bataillon number too. In your example, both blocks are jointed through exact linear stamping.
You may be correct, Philippe. To add another wrinkle, I was looking over the helmet for additional markings and found a name written in pencil. It appears to be Thrig O. You have an eye for these things. What do you think?

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by Lost Skeleton » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:18 am

I have been scrolling up and down to draw comparisons between the Wappen on my helmet with that of Tony's. There appear to be numerous, albeit subtle, differences. I have found no maker's mark on my helmet. I took these macros to provide a detailed look at the more significant details.

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I find it interesting that the shape of the lion's crown is slightly distorted to allow it to connect with the sword

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The loop in the 6 is distinctive in the way it connects to the vertical

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by argonne » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:30 am

Lost Skeleton wrote: I was looking over the helmet for additional markings and found a name written in pencil. It appears to be Thrig O. You have an eye for these things. What do you think?

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Chas, always an excellent idea to look for more clues :thumb up: And in a few seconds, you will be happy to do have that!

The writing is a name and a company number: IHRIG 9/115

And look at that now, two matching mentions in the German "Verlustlisten" 1914-18.

Gefreiter Heinrich IHRIG, 9/115, from Raubach (Kreis Erbach), lightly wounded late September or beginning of October 1914:

http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/577544" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And later, a second mention about this guy, still in the 9/115, for a second time lightly wounded, this time September 1916:

http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/4962000" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think that for such an elite Leibgarde unit, they acquired the new M16 helmet in the summer of 1916 (July-August), such as other elite units like the GR89, as read in the "Regiments-Geschichte". So this helmet could have been returned to the garrison Kammer at this time or maybe even earlier, after Heinrich´s first wound. That would explain this helmet has survived in this great shape. Heinrich IHRIG seems to have survived the war. No later mention of his dead. Or he could have remain at home because of invalidity after the second wound. It´s not uncommon to observe in the "Verlustlisten" that guys who first have been mentioned as lightly wounded, were later invalid or even died in a Lazarett...

So the stamp in front of the "JR 115" stamp may simply be "III" for the third bataillon, perfectly matching with the name of wearer in the 9. company.

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by Lost Skeleton » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:21 am

argonne wrote:The writing is a name and a company number: IHRIG 9/115
Philippe, you amaze me! Thank you so much for researching and sharing this information. I would never have believed this helmet could be traced to the man to whom it was issued. I have Googled the name and discovered another possible connection. A Heinrich Ihrig from Stierbach i. O. (im Odenwaldkreis?) Hesse received the Goldenes Ehrenzeichen der NSDAP on 1 August 1928. It could well be the same man. :o

http://gmic.co.uk/topic/34747-4-gau-hes ... ecipients/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How may I obtain high resolution scans of the relevant Verlustlisten pages?

Many, many thanks!

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by argonne » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:15 pm

Chas, here are the high resolution scans:

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http://files.genealogy.net/verlustlisten/15339.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If this is the same guy with the Ehrenzeichen der NSDAP, I would not bet on it...
Because there are about 15 other guys with the same name Heinrich IHRIG who are listed in the Verlustlisten in 25 mentions. But even only one guy in the 9/115 with two mentions :wink:

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by Lost Skeleton » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:48 pm

Thank you, Philippe. :D

To be honest, I would rather not know if our Heinrich measured up to the Nazi "gold standard."

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Re: Leibgarde-Inf.-Regt. (1. Großherzogl. Hessisches) Nr. 11

Post by kaiser » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:51 pm

Very nice example

Great find

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