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Gigantic JzP

Post by randy trawnik » Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:30 pm

I just found this 7th JzP that was on eBay and came from an estate sale in New York. It is the largest metal (JzP and Kurassier style) that I have ever seen. It is unit marked, dated and has the size "62" stamped in the back trim. It absolutely dwarfs my other JzP helmets that are marked size 54. All original and quite "salty".
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Post by J.LeBrasseur » Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:56 pm

Wow, one for a big noggin.

Great find, love these JZP's

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Post by Khukri » Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:09 pm

Great find indeed !
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Post by poniatowski » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:50 pm

That is one big and very nice helmet!

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Post by Pickelhaube » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:52 am

Nice helmets!! :thumb up:
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Post by stuka f » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:01 am

Very nice and intresting!
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Post by asergeant » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:03 am

Superb large siez helmet! =D>

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Post by 911car » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:25 pm

This is indeed a big buy. And a very nice helmet, independently of the size. Congratulations Randy. I wonder what the percentage was of german soldiers with this big a head. I am sure Joe knows, as he knows everything related to the imperial army.
By the way this is my helmet size (for the bike). I have only one size 62 Pickelhaube, a 1867 model, and it still does not fit my head...

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Post by joerookery » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:44 am

I am sure Joe knows, as he knows everything related to the imperial army.
LOL--I have no idea on this one! :-k
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Post by J.LeBrasseur » Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:20 am

ok so my question is, I have now seen 2 size 62 helmets, Bruno's and Randy's.

Do you think this size was part of the production run for the Army, or specially made for these large headed soldiers??

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Post by edwin » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:01 pm

Nice helmets =D> Thanks for sharing.

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Post by joerookery » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:37 am

James,

Part of the production run would be my opinion. They would contract for so many of each different size. I have no idea how many of each size. One of these days maybe you'll find a contract =P~
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Post by poniatowski » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:07 am

joerookery wrote:James,

Part of the production run would be my opinion. They would contract for so many of each different size. I have no idea how many of each size. One of these days maybe you'll find a contract =P~
In his book 'Stahlhelm', Floyd Tubbs mentioned percentages of steel helmet shells in each size, this might be similar. I'll have to look later.

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Post by randy trawnik » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:18 pm

I have been collecting since 1965 and I have never seen such a large and obviously different lobster tail helmet. It looks almost distorted due to the size.

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Post by Spiker » Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:57 am

Wow that’s a whopper of a Jager. :thumb up:

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Post by b.loree » Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:51 pm

Wow! Unheard of huge melon! My largest was an M15 JzP size 60 cm, unfortunately, had to sell it. Up until this post Randy, I thought that was the largest they produced! Bruno,you are an MD, you have to have a big head!
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Post by poniatowski » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:24 am

Here's what Floyd Tubbs had to say about Stahlhelm shell production. He talks about the production ratios of helmet shell sizes 62; 64; 66 and 68...:

Shell size............Head size.............Percentage made:...............Percentage of 'Odd' size (estimate):

60......................50.5 - 52 cm..........................................................10%
62......................52.5 - 54.................10%.........................................40%
64......................54.6 - 56.................40%
66......................56.5 - 58.................40%
68......................58.5 - 60.................10%.........................................40%
70......................60.5 - 62................................................................10%

He doesn't mention sizes 60 and 70, but it might be reasonable to interpolate that these were grouped into the size 62 and 68 production with similar ratios if those four are taken as a total. So, if my math is correct (which it PROBABLY IS NOT), this would mean that the largest and smallest sizes made up 1% of total production.
At any rate, it may be reasonable to expect that these numbers were based on similar numbers from Pickelhaube production.

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Post by J.LeBrasseur » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:32 pm

Well here is another one, a size 62 OR Kuirassier helmet next to a size 58. Huge, size marked in neck and made by Otto Nachtieall Berlin 1916.

it actually fits me with room to spare.

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Post by poniatowski » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:22 am

Nice helmet James! Now all you need is a Kuerass and your Pferd. :wink:

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Post by J.LeBrasseur » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:31 am

Thanks Ron, a Kuirass? I may have one or two of those around :D

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Post by Khukri » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:01 am

Wow indeed.
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Post by poniatowski » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:10 pm

J.LeBrasseur wrote:Thanks Ron, a Kuirass? I may have one or two of those around :D

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