Unusual style Regimehtal Stein

Souvenir items which commerate service in the Kaisers' army.

Moderators: b.loree, J.LeBrasseur

Post Reply
reservist1
Exceptional Contributor
Exceptional Contributor
Posts: 670
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:26 am

Unusual style Regimehtal Stein

Post by reservist1 » Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:14 pm

This is a very unusual style earthenware regmental stein manufactured by R. Merkelbach in Grenzhausen. The stein belonged to Pionier Mayer who served in the Kraftfahr Company of the Bavarian Luftschiffer and Kraftfahr Bataillon from 1912 through 1914.


Reservist1
Last edited by reservist1 on Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:07 am, edited 3 times in total.

keoki7
Contributor
Contributor
Posts: 208
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:43 am
Location: Shenandoah Valley

Post by keoki7 » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:22 am

Great piece. What do you know about the maker? I have one made by Merkelbach for a telegraph unit.
Geo

reservist1
Exceptional Contributor
Exceptional Contributor
Posts: 670
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:26 am

Post by reservist1 » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:33 am

Hello George: Reinhold Merkelbach was one of the larger manufacturers of stoneware steins. Available information indicates that the firm started business in the Hor-Grenzhausen area in 1849. They probably did not produce stoneware steins before sometime in the 1860's. There are 13 known variations of Reinhold Merklebach trademarks that can be used to approximately date the manufacture of a particular stein. The firm was still active in the 1970's. I don't know if they are still in business.

Reservist1

User avatar
b.loree
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 5202
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:52 pm
Location: Ontario CN

Post by b.loree » Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:29 pm

Fantastic stein R1. I am wondering about the symbolism shown in the figure riding the hood of the car. HE on the stien helium??? What is he holding in tthe other hand?? Looks either like the typical oak leaves or a turnip??? In addition, the hose running up the front of the grill?? A beautiful piece...a person could sink thousands $ into these beauties. They are so unique and one of a kind. Brian
Remember, Pillage first THEN Burn ...

User avatar
Tony without Kaiser
Departed
Posts: 2775
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:22 pm
Location: Neu Braunschweig Kanada
Contact:

Re: Unusual style Regimehtal Stein

Post by Tony without Kaiser » Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:11 pm

reservist1 wrote: the thumblift is a Kraftfahr shoulder strap.
Like so. Unlike the Preußen Kraftfahr who changed from a red strap to a light grey strap in June 1911, Bayern wore the red strap right up until May 1914. I missed the fact that the woman on the Stein was sitting over a radiator until Brian pointed it out. Just wonderful!!! :salute:

Gaak. I'm getting dizzy looking at these! I much prefer the short fat Bier Krugs to the tall fancy Steins. I only have one myself, a Marine one. R1, I suspect you, however, could host an Octoberfest for a town.

Image
Kaiser: 09 July 1997 - 12 October 2010.
Nina: 23 April 2002 - 31 July 2015.
I miss my little Noodles.
http://www.kaisersbunker.com/

reservist1
Exceptional Contributor
Exceptional Contributor
Posts: 670
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:26 am

Post by reservist1 » Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:53 pm

I am wondering about the symbolism shown in the figure riding the hood of the car.
Brian and Tony: The figure on the front of the stein is the "Munich Child" an official symbol for all citizens of Munich. The letters on her stein are not HE but HB (Hofbrauhaus). I am sure all the serious beer drinkers have seen earthenware beer mugs with the letters HB. She is holding a white raddish in her left hand. In the Bavarian mountains large white radishes are a popular snack with beer. The following link contains an interesting overview of the symbol from its origin as a hooded monk in 1239 to the young girl with the stein and radish. Scroll through the article to the section on the Munich child.
http://www.beerstein.net/articles/char-stns.htm

Reservist1

User avatar
Lost Skeleton
Special Ranks Member
Special Ranks Member
Posts: 1120
Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:57 am

Re: Unusual style Regimehtal Stein

Post by Lost Skeleton » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:24 am

Tony & Kaiser wrote:I missed the fact that the woman on the Stein was sitting over a radiator until Brian pointed it out.
Woman??? Surely, it's a curtal friar or monk. Holy carbon monoxide!

Chas. :P
Kung Fucius -- The Aggressive Philosophy

User avatar
b.loree
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 5202
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:52 pm
Location: Ontario CN

Post by b.loree » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:18 am

AHHH!!! now I understand R1. Didn't "Alice" have something to do with a white raddish?? I know for a fact that Jefferson Airplane did a song called "White Raddish" as well. I will read up on the Bavarian child. Brian
Remember, Pillage first THEN Burn ...

User avatar
Wyliecoyote
Exceptional Contributor
Exceptional Contributor
Posts: 690
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:53 pm
Location: North East Coast
Contact:

Post by Wyliecoyote » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:07 am

Brian

Not trying to be a "smarty pants", but wasn't the song "White Rabbit"?
I have to look it up.

Geo

User avatar
joerookery
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 6450
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:25 pm
Location: Pensacola Florida
Contact:

Post by joerookery » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:18 pm

Goodness Brian where were you in the 70's? I'm with George -- -- White Rabbit -- -- and you are the musician!
VR/Joe
www.pickelhauben.net
The British philosopher and historian R.G. Colligwood said, "it is not
the facts that are interesting in history, but the questions and their
answers - and these can never be fixed.

User avatar
J.LeBrasseur
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 3358
Joined: Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:14 pm
Location: U.S.A.

Post by J.LeBrasseur » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:27 pm

Next thing you know we will all be singing Puff the Magic Dragon with Brian!
J.LeBrasseur

User avatar
Wyliecoyote
Exceptional Contributor
Exceptional Contributor
Posts: 690
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:53 pm
Location: North East Coast
Contact:

Post by Wyliecoyote » Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:06 pm

:laughing3: Wouldn't that be groovy!

User avatar
b.loree
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 5202
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:52 pm
Location: Ontario CN

Post by b.loree » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:55 pm

Dudes.....I was making a joke. I have played in rock bands for 30 years of course I knew the correct name of the tune which is based on Alices' White Rabbit. You know, the one that leads her into Wonderland!!
I wondered at the time of posting whether my intent would be a little too subtle for some, or perhaps my humour was a bit too raddiculous???
Anyway, straddling a car hood with a stein of beer in one hand and a large white raddish in the other strikes me as very funny but also very German! R1 has still not told me where that hose (it is part of the same scene) is going to. My best to you all, Brian
Remember, Pillage first THEN Burn ...

reservist1
Exceptional Contributor
Exceptional Contributor
Posts: 670
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:26 am

Post by reservist1 » Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:20 pm

R1 has still not told me where that hose (it is part of the same scene) is going to.
I believe the "hose" is actually supposed to represent the waist cord for the child's robe.

Reservist1

User avatar
Lost Skeleton
Special Ranks Member
Special Ranks Member
Posts: 1120
Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:57 am

Post by Lost Skeleton » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:18 pm

I think it represents a fuel line feeding Hofbrau to the engine. Furthermore, I was being serious when I theorized the figure is monastic. Believe it or not, the turnip has long been recognized as a symbol of charity. It may not be the da Vinci Code, but it is nonetheless fascinating.

Chas.
Kung Fucius -- The Aggressive Philosophy

User avatar
b.loree
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 5202
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:52 pm
Location: Ontario CN

Post by b.loree » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:31 pm

Chas:
If you take a look at the Stein site that R1 has linked to you will see that your impression is totally correct. Originally, the Munich child was a monk. B
Remember, Pillage first THEN Burn ...

User avatar
Lost Skeleton
Special Ranks Member
Special Ranks Member
Posts: 1120
Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:57 am

Post by Lost Skeleton » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:36 pm

Whoops! Looking back, I completely missed R1's reply explaining the Munich Child. Consequently, my hypotheses are somewhat tangential.

However, it does make for an interesting case study of facts versus speculation.

Chas.
Kung Fucius -- The Aggressive Philosophy

User avatar
Chip Minx
Exceptional Contributor
Exceptional Contributor
Posts: 576
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:04 pm
Location: Midwest

Post by Chip Minx » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:56 pm

Tony,

I think the thumblift is more like this... :thumbup:

Chip

Image
Guy A. Turner, Master Signal Electrician, Company C, 314.Field Signal Batl., 89th Div. St.Mihiel, Meuse Argonne, Defensive Sector.
1894-1981. My grandfather.

User avatar
Tony without Kaiser
Departed
Posts: 2775
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:22 pm
Location: Neu Braunschweig Kanada
Contact:

Post by Tony without Kaiser » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:34 am

Chip Minx wrote:I think the thumblift is more like this...
:cussing: Argh! You win as usual Chip. Those are superb!! :love10: And I have to say again how interesting that BierKrug is, the thumb lift, top with auto, Münchin child litho, a fantasy item for a Kraftfahr collector.
Kaiser: 09 July 1997 - 12 October 2010.
Nina: 23 April 2002 - 31 July 2015.
I miss my little Noodles.
http://www.kaisersbunker.com/

User avatar
Rendsburg
Special Ranks Member
Special Ranks Member
Posts: 1855
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:28 pm
Location: Rio de Janeiro

Post by Rendsburg » Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:41 am

Hofbrauhaus...Monk.
Otto :D
I can not wait for SOS 2018!

Post Reply