Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

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Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by b.loree » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:18 pm

This helmet belongs to James and was purchased at the SOS 2018. The helmet belonged to Johan Weber as it has his name tag in it size is 57cm. As usual, any information that can be provided on this individual would be most welcome. Problems: Both visors need restitching, helmet and fittings are very dirty and are to be cleaned. Trichter cap needs resoldering on to screw post, spike top is bent. This is a private purchase haube and seems to have been produced sometimes after 1871/99 as seen by the officer liner, pearl ring and one Prussian OR's kokarde. The wappen although pierced crown does not have the enameled officer star, both visors are unlined which suggests a dienst helme. The Garde star although not enameled is custom purchase. The pics:
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The officer liner which was worn 1842-1880 (Larcade V1, pg 30)

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The paper label is located under the liner on the rear part of the shell. The helmet came with whitehorse hair trichter and CDV presumably of Johan in parade dress.
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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by kaiser » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:35 pm

I was thinking just a bit soap and thats it,but there wil be more to it than that
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Post by b.loree » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:04 pm

Yes Jonas, not as challenging as the last Dragoner! I am really looking forward to some information on Johan Weber. :)
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Post by b.loree » Tue May 01, 2018 3:10 pm

Any information on Johan Weber would be much appreciated.
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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by b.loree » Wed May 02, 2018 1:30 pm

A series of photos updating this post showing work which has been done. A good shot of how the visor is pinned into place, all stitch holes both in visor and shell have been cleaned out. You can see how the lines made by the rear spine line up correctly. The original stiching of this helmet also helped out, because the "stitcher" skipped over the rear seam so there was a large stitch and one hole on either side. This made it easier to line things up so I could begin pinning from each of these holes and work my way back to the corners of the visor counting holes and inserting the pins. In my experience, this skipping over the rear seam was rarely done, they just stitched right across.
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Post by b.loree » Wed May 02, 2018 2:09 pm

I just can't seem to master this on site posting of pictures, it is still a pain in the ass, so back to SmugMug where there is absolutely no trouble.
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A close up during the first pass, you can see that every other hole is stitched in, you go across once and then back again to where you started. You can also see why I prefer to stitch outside on sunny days, you can maneuver the shell so the light is focused where you want it.

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Next, the front visor pinned into position. Usually, the trim is taken off but in this case it was on very tight and there was no sense taking it off.

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Rear visor done and spine back in place.

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Fittings were very dirty but they cleaned up well.

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Officer wappen but OR's Garde Star remember, this is a private purchase pre 1897 helmet with one Prussian Kokarde.

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This style of rear spine which just curls over the edge of the visor is rare but I have seen this before. With 2 soldered split brads on the spine there is no danger of it moving. More to come.
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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by J.LeBrasseur » Wed May 02, 2018 3:25 pm

Looking good Brian, can hardly wait to get it back and put that super cool trichter and plume that came with it on!

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Post by aicusv » Wed May 02, 2018 9:34 pm

Can't wait to see more.
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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by b.loree » Thu May 03, 2018 2:08 pm

I put Humpty Dumpty back together again today, so here are photos of the helmet as it is now:

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If you look at the original photos, the spike was tilted forward, I managed to put it back in a more proper position today before locking it down on the top of the shell. Considering that this helmet dates to before 1888 due to it's liner it is in remarkable condition. There was a CDV that came with this helmet, presumably of Johan in parade dress and wearing this helmet....James you need to post that here to really complete this restoration. :)
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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by kaiser » Thu May 03, 2018 2:56 pm

Just a miner thing i noticed ,there is some shellac gone on this helmet
I was wondering if you just do those little spots will that work for the end result or is it always "if you do one spot you better do the whole helmet"
The helmet came out great and i will be curious to see the helmet with its plume mounted on it
Do share this one with us james
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Post by b.loree » Thu May 03, 2018 10:11 pm

Yes there is a small patch of missing shellac on the shell, I debated whether to ask James if he wanted it filled and decided to leave it and not get into it. If you filled in this area, you would have to lightly sand the whole shell with 000 steel wool and then polish the shell with several coats of black boot polish. This would give the entire piece the same patina/colour. However, the missing area is a minor flaw on a helmet that dates from the 1880's which is in excellent condition. I did not want to mess with it any further. The liner alone is a perfect textbook example of the private purchase liner used from 1842-1888. It also came with it's original white horse hair trichter which needs some minor solder repairs. I have the trichter column and James has the Harrbusch, I am sure that once he has everything returned, he will post pics of Johan's helmet in parade mode.
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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by Khukri » Fri May 04, 2018 1:15 am

The Haubenwhisperer: he did it again. Excellent job. Cannot wait to see the complete helmet.

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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by pickelhauben » Fri May 04, 2018 8:04 am

Nice job.

It looks like a HUGE helmet !!!

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Post by b.loree » Fri May 04, 2018 4:54 pm

It does look huge, you are right Mat but the size marking is 57 cm. If it was a "58" I could wear it :) . I think that the "hugeness" comes from the Dragoner design with that cruciform spike base which requires a large flat crown on the helmet shell. Thanks to all for their kind comments!
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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by 911car » Sat May 05, 2018 12:08 pm

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Fri May 04, 2018 4:54 pm
It does look huge, you are right Mat but the size marking is 57 cm. If it was a "58" I could wear it :) . I think that the "hugeness" comes from the Dragoner design with that cruciform spike base which requires a large flat crown on the helmet shell. Thanks to all for their kind comments!
I never found a period Pickelhaube helmet I could wear, my motorcycle helmet size is 62/64...
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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by J.LeBrasseur » Sat May 05, 2018 2:32 pm

Here is the CDV that came with the helmet that is supposedly Mr. Weber...

Interesting the seller of the helmet at the SOS, stated he got the helmet, plume and CDV all together from a storage locker sale, who knows could be true.

Either way I am happy with the helmet and can hardly wait to get it back from Brian.

Interesting Mitre in the photo as well.

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Post by edwin » Sat May 05, 2018 3:40 pm

Very nice job!

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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by aicusv » Mon May 07, 2018 10:16 am

The guy in the CDV is not a dragoon, but is a great photo. Maybe the locker belonged to a dealer or collector.
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Post by alte helm zimmer » Thu May 10, 2018 10:10 pm

Brian you must be commended -the Dragoner helm looks super -still old, but looking sharp - for parade or patroul..
You performed just enough restoration- tending to the necessary and not overdoing it - by going too far ie. refinishing the leather - not a necessity here-- it is 100+ years old .
Now a fine piece for a collection . Great skill shown by your efforts...That is how I like helms for my collection----resurrected - when needed--Alte Helm Zimmer --Randolpho ----aicusv has sharp eyes --

it is a Grenadier (round visor) in the cdv - from Potsdam and with a mitre helm - 1st GRzF

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Post by Sandmann » Fri May 11, 2018 9:46 am

Wonderful job. Thank you for sharing :bravo:
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Post by b.loree » Fri May 11, 2018 11:26 am

Thanks to all for their kind comments. I wondered about the visor shown in the photo as well, nice to have other members confirm that this is not a Dragoner. I still wish that we could come up with some information on Johan Weber.
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Post by Sandmann » Fri May 11, 2018 11:59 am

May be this guy? :?
I don‘t know much about the Uniforms but the seller has wrote „Dragoner - Johann Weber“ on ebay
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Neugersdorf-Joh ... SwzrxUx3Y6
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Post by aicusv » Fri May 11, 2018 10:12 pm

Although Neugersdorf is in now in Saxony, the uniform of Johann Weber (eBay) looks Austrian to me.
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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by KAGGR#1 » Sun May 13, 2018 12:59 pm

James ;
I also believe the photo to be of a soldier in the 1st Garde Regt. zu Fuss .
Great photo , but don't match with the helmet .
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Post by JzPf » Tue May 15, 2018 10:23 pm

Brian,

Beautiful job as always! Do you have any recommendations for cleaning
fire gilt plates and fittings on officers helmets?

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Post by b.loree » Wed May 16, 2018 1:44 pm

The Ebay picture does show an Austrian. The scalloped front pockets and cap are Austrian in design. Dennis, I use Hagerty Silver Foam, a soft toothbrush and water.
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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by argonne » Thu May 17, 2018 6:43 am

b.loree wrote:
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I still wish that we could come up with some information on Johan Weber.
Because Johan (or maybe Johann) WEBER most probably was a OYV before 1897, it is impossible to track him in the 1914-18 Verlustlisten, as he was then certainly more than 40 years old and in the Landsturm, or even no longer service able.

And because he never could have been an active officer, you won´t find him in the Ehrenranglisten in one of the two GDR too...Maybe as a reserve or Landwehr officer (mentioned in some Landwehrbezirk in the Ehrenranglisten), if this guy later got his Reserve-Offizier Patent. But as the name WEBER is very common and because the first names are not mentioned in the Listen, it is quite impossible to find him....

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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by J.LeBrasseur » Fri May 18, 2018 10:22 am

The helmet is now home and safe and put into it best configuration with Plume (sorry Tony)

thanks again to Brian for his great work.

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Post by Sandmann » Fri May 18, 2018 11:09 am

Looks great...have fun with it :bravo:
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Post by kaiser » Fri May 18, 2018 3:46 pm

Its a beauty😎😉

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Re: Garde Dragoner: Johan Weber

Post by ww1czechlegion » Fri May 18, 2018 10:25 pm

Superb work again Brian! :bravo: =D>

A fantastic helmet James, congratulations! :bravo: =D>

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