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The Hartmann Collection

Post by b.loree » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:34 pm

We are fortunate to have a post with pictures here of the Walter Hartmann collection. In my first decade of collecting back in the 1980's I began to hear about this fabulous collection which was out in California. I have never seen pictures of helmets from it in all my subsequent years of collecting. We are fortunate that Steve Mc who actually met Hartmann was given a series of pictures which he just recently found again. Here is some background information (email) from Steve:
I think it will be great
I don't know if you have or ever seen the old Col. Rankin book on spiked helmets
but some of Walt's helmets were shown in that book
as I have said before I got my first helmet about 1970
Hartmann already had this well advanced collection

The reason you have never seen photos
is that he was a policeman and did not trust anyone .

Very few people ever got to see his collection
I was lucky because early in the game
I made friends with Dave Powers in Laguna Beach
Dave drove me over to meet Hartmann and see his collection
also I was fiends with Jarl Hartze of Stockholm , Sweden
so was another "intro " that I got

Hartmann came to my place some years ago with a camera
and lots of equipment . He took photo after photo with back drops
and the whole works
He was going to do a book on helmets , but it never got done

I gave him a place to stay here , let him ride with us to Cincy
to the old OVMS show at the Drawbridge Inn
then he rode back here
next day hopped a bus and went to Chicago to shoot

I saw Hartmann's collection 2 times
and he gave me the photos I am sending out
Walt took the photos, that's the story.

So here are the initial photos from the HArtmann collection that Steve emailed to me recently:
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Post by b.loree » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:51 pm

Some additional pictures from this fabulous collection:
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Post by ebeeby » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:15 pm

Holy Toledo! A policeman?

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Post by b.loree » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:49 pm

Yes.....things were a lot cheaper prior to the 1970's!
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Post by pickelhauben » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:57 pm

Great collection.

Is Mr . Hartman still with us ?

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Post by 911car » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:07 pm

pickelhauben wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:57 pm
Great collection.

Is Mr . Hartman still with us ?
No Mr Hartman passed away years ago.

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Post by 911car » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:14 pm

b.loree wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:49 pm
Yes.....things were a lot cheaper prior to the 1970's!
Mr Hartmann was in the US army, stationed in Germany at and after the end of WWII. I was told he collected many of his helmets then. Someone who knew him very well told me the price he paid for the Garde Reiter officer helmet was a pack of cigarettes...

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Post by KAGGR#1 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:28 pm

But early on Walt was in the Merchant Marines . He made many trips to Germany and was a very smart buyer .Even in the early 1970's
an enlisted Garde du Corps helmet with eagle top could be bought for $ 125.00 . R . T. just related a story to me about Walt . He learned of a meeting of veterans of the Braunschweig I R 92 .Walt attended the meeting , met some veterans and talked with them . He told the vets that he collected spikes helmets .One vet said I have something for you . The vet got to his attic and brought out a box
which was a gift to Walt .It was full of spiked helmets ! No better deal than that. I just ran across one more photo which I will send to Brain .I think he will want to post it also . A rare Hessian officers helmet .Good old memories .Great job of posting Brian ! Steve McFarland

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Post by KAGGR#1 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:32 pm

911car ;
Yes , I was related that Garde Reiter helmet also .

Back in the early collecting years I bought an original oil painting on canvas , framed
of Kaiser Wilhelm II in his G d C uniform with helmet , signed and dated in the 1890's
for $ 125 Steve McFarland

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Post by Adler » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:21 am

Holy sh... It looks as if I'm just a novice in collecting now! Great collection!

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Post by aicusv » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:03 am

I remember back in the 70s there being a GdC helmet for sale and the guy was asking $500 for it, everyone thought he was crazy.
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Post by J.LeBrasseur » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:02 pm

Here are some more pictures of his fine collection that Steve shared with us.

I am very happy to say 2 of the helmets from Hartmann's collection are now in mine, and one is in my brothers. Had the great opportunity to buy them a few years ago.

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Post by b.loree » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:13 pm

Obviously, it was a different time back when W. Hartmann got into collecting. It is a well known fact that there were 2 waves of helmets that hit North American shores from Europe. The first was directly from WW1 plus the War Bond helmets. The second, from WW2 vets who had an opportunity to liberate or buy hauben while stationed in post war Germany/Europe.
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Post by KAGGR#1 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:22 am

James ;
Thanks for adding some more of the photos of the Walter Eric Hartmann collection . I know that you got the Bavarian Uhlan officer .
Which one did your brother get ? I think that it is good now that own the helmet , that you now have a photo of it when it was in
Walt's collection .
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Post by b.loree » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:05 am

One last photo sent to me by Steve, JR117 officer:
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Post by KAGGR#1 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:31 pm

Brian ;
Many thanks for the post .
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Post by J.LeBrasseur » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:39 pm

Steve- Yes I got the very nice Bavarian Ulan and my brother got a nice Prussian Ulan.

I also was lucky enough to get an Prussian Officers 87th Labelle Alliance

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Post by KAGGR#1 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:28 pm

James ;
Great ! It is nice for you to own a couple of helmets from that
great former collection of Walt Hartmann . It is the kind of stuff
that dreams are made of . Just think of me seeing that collection
when I first got started back in 1970 .I always wanted one of his
reserve Prussian Grenadier officers .I have all the Grenadiers ,
but none are reserve officers . They may have already come and gone .
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Post by ottodog8 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:57 pm

Great to see these. I always enjoyed the beautiful photographs in the Rankin book, in fact I still do. When that book came out in 1965 it was the only game in town, at least in English. A tip of the hat to Walter Hartmann, Colonel Rankin, and Norm Flayderman.

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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:53 am

Seeing a collection like that is certainly very humbling. I am reasonably sure that is the IR92 officer that I had the privilege to own for a few years.
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Post by KAGGR#1 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:00 pm

Tony ; If you got the I R 92 officer from S. Wolfe ; or it was passed my Wolfe to someone else , then to ; maybe so .
But all of Hartmann's helmets were or are being sold my S. Wolfe , a few at a time at the S O S .I know the collector
who gets first choice on all of them .
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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:48 pm

Hi Steve,

I didn't get it from Wolfe, and I think I might have got the IR92 officer while Walt was still alive, so I guess it wasn't from him now that I think about it.

However, I did get a frosty M18 Stahlhelme via Wolfe that was from Walt's family, so I am privileged to have that from the Hartmann Collection :thumbleft:
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Tony ; If you got the I R 92 officer from S. Wolfe ; or it was passed my Wolfe to someone else , then to ; maybe so .
But all of Hartmann's helmets were or are being sold my S. Wolfe , a few at a time at the S O S .I know the collector
who gets first choice on all of them .
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Post by KAGGR#1 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:54 pm

ottodog8 / Steve ;
As I might have stated before the Rankin book is what started me into collecting spiked helmets .
The rare officers helmets shown in the photos were Walter Hartmann's . Some of the enlisted helmets and steins
were from the Cliff Foster collection . Cliff was a sergeant stationed in Germany . Cliff was from Memphis , Tennessee . He collected helmets and steins and sent some spin offs back to Memphis to be sold by his friend , Robert M. Ledbetter . Ledbetter was my mentor
and I bought my first Prussian line infantry officers helmet from Ledbetter. I also still have a KAGGR # 1 stein that Cliff sent back .
Steins were $50.00 in those days . I have an oil painting of Kaiser Wilhelm II in his Garde du Corp uniform and eagle top helmet that Cliff bought back to Memphis when he retired from the army. I saw the photos in that book and said to myself ; this is something that I want to collect . I never met Norm Flayderman but I did buy one helmet from him off his old list .
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Post by KAGGR#1 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:57 pm

Tony ;
That is great . No one except Walt's son really knows what all Walt had .
I know that he collected medals and orders . I think the only one that saw those was S. Wolfe .
I know that he had a Luftwaffe yellow Standarte , I saw that on 1 of 2 visits to his place .
Also uniforms .
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Post by ottodog8 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:27 pm

The pics of the Foster collection, a few helmets at a time displayed with the steins also had a huge impact on me. I’ve arrived at the conclusion that less is more. I was in a shop called Globe Militaria in New York City, must have been around 1970. They mostly did mail order and ran their business out of a warehouse on West 29th Street. Cavernous room, mostly storage, with a small display area. Their focus was WW2 German, but right in the middle of the open display area was a small multi tiered circular display table with about a dozen or fewer Imperial helmets -Garde du Corps, officer’s helmets with parade busch, just a spectacular display. To a guy used to seeing the occasional Prussian M15 or M95, this was heady stuff. Took my breath away. I think of it often.
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Post by KAGGR#1 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:56 am

Steve ;
How about the Soldier Shop in NYC ? I was never there , but I heard of it and they had a mail out catalog .There was another man who had a shop , I can't remember his name now , but I was told if you asked about a certain spiked helmet , his reply was ; " What , do you think that they grow on trees ? "Did you know John Gray from Staten Island ?
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Post by ottodog8 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:24 pm

Steve,
I have some of the old Soldier Shop catalogs but never managed to make it to the store. I lived out on Long Island in those days. Used to take day trips into the city once in a while and roam around. Saw the biggest rat I’ve ever seen lying dead in the gutter in the garment district. Got ejected from Abercrombie and Fitch when my friend tried to start a hovercraft. He did buy (rather had his father buy) a Kar98k high turret sniper rifle sans scope and rings in their gun room for $35. Also got ejected from a very cool gun store I later learned was a CIA front. Got quite an education on 42nd Street. We were just kids. Didn’t know John Gray.

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Post by drewannrez » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:44 pm

A Kar98k for only $35 that's great ...

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Post by ElvinStrawhat » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:59 am

Nice Collection Thanks for the photos its so great.


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Post by poniatowski » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:35 am

A wonderful collection to be sure and there must be a book full of stories related to it! To me, it's wonderful that these helmets are being carefully preserved.

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