Dragoner Regiment 11 mod. 1860 pickelhaube - untouched condition

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Frozzer

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Hi all
I want to share with You my latest Dragoner pickelhaube from 11DR. It is important for me because this regiment was located in Lyck, Ostpreussen, near place where I live

It is in nice, uncleaned, untouched condition. Leather is in good condition. Only one rosette on the right side and no traces of rosette on the left.

Can You tell me more about this helmet? What Model is it?
Spike is possibly to unscrew and mount paradebushc. This is my second dragoner helmet in collection.
 

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That is a very nice older helmet in great condition. As to model, you should consult The Kaisers Bunker website to track that down. The presence of only one larger Prussian kokarde is totally correct though as this helmet dates well before the Reich kokarde was worn. Does your wappen have screw posts? The 1867 model has long prongs soldered to it instead of posts or loops
 
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That is a very nice older helmet in great condition. As to model, you should consult The Kaisers Bunker website to track that down. The presence of only one larger Prussian kokarde is totally correct though as this helmet dates well before the Reich kokarde was worn. Does your wappen have screw posts? The 1867 model has long prongs soldered to it instead of posts or loops
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I was looking on Kaisers Bunker page and I am a bit confused which Type is this. Eagle is with ribbon, cocarde is 65mm. I think it could be m1867. No prongs to the eagle. All interrior screws, also on eagle and on spike are the same. Photo in attachment
 

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That is a wonderful helmet. Basically as you have discovered, there is really no change between an M1860 Dragoner right up until they were eventually converted to M1894 with M91 chinscales. What makes these old helmets so endearing to me personally, is the thick heavy robust leather shells, and those enormous chinscales. You have found an excellent example. Congratulations.
 
Hello,
Beautiful M60 Dragoon helmet. This model remained in use until the M94, which saw side-posts replace the screws and a keyed chinstrap for locking, instead of a screw-on one.
The M60 Dragoon helmet did not have an intermediate model like the infantry helmet, but it did undergo some subtle modifications:
---In 1867, the stirrups disappeared, and the nuts became flat. The leather was thinner, the helmet lighter, and the visor slightly shorter. As a result, as with the infantry helmet, a "Teller" was added—either a steel plate under the cruciform base or a large washer.

---D.R. M42 et M60. No Teller, caliper nut.
M57-60 Demi- nuquière.jpg

---D.R. M67 Teller round or cruciform. flat and square nuts

DR17 (JPHM16).jpg
DR19 M94 U-0ff.jpg

---In 1894, with the new side-post chinstrap, the Landkokarde (the helmet's length) was reduced to 51-55 cm. The rosettes disappeared.
Tour M94 DR UR ~HR.jpg
---In 1895, the vent was fitted with five ventilation holes. In 1897, the Landkokarde with the large central hole moved to the left side and was replaced on the right by the Reichskokarde.

Note: Your helmet has only one flaw:

The chinstrap rosettes are M67 infantry rosettes. The "Dragons" are convex and of larger diameter.
DRM60 Alex12 HM20.jpg
Easy to modify, once you know how.
 
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Some more details showing that other rosette was never been applied
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Hi,
I like the place where you are living, Elk (Lyck) at the mazurian see plate 👍
I spent some holidays a few time in the past in Gorlo / Stare Juchy.
Helmets from those eastern countries are pretty hard to find!
Philippe
 
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Some more details showing that other rosette was never been applied
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I saw this M1860 before, I think on a FB group. Great Pickelhaube!! Like I have told you on WAF, you have great items!

I have a 1868-dated Dragoner cartridge pouch and bandolier also marked to the 11th Dragoner Regiment.
 
Hi all, That is an old topic but I think it is worth to unddug it to the top. Helmet went to Tony in meantime, I hope he like it but some time ago I found one item which is very close connected to this Helmet. Take a look ;)

It is an sign from Bahnhoff in Lyck Ostpreussen (Now it is Ełk in Poland)
City where 11 Dragoner Regiment was located.

This sign was found far away from Lyck, near Hohenstein (now Olsztynek) at a farm. Second collage photo is made "in situ" as it was found :D
 

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Hello, Please reread my previous post, as it had disappeared from my smartphone. I've just recreated it with all the details to answer you fully.
 
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