Hi,Subject to better images, thoughts appreciated.
Chinstrap should be silver scale etc, repro national cockade and chinstrap.
Thanks.
PhilippeHi,
A lot of redflags here
I would not buy it, for sure!!!
Philippe
Excellent explanation and guide. Very helpful.This helmet is entirely composite, i.e. reassembled with various trims. The tip rivets are not identical, and the rear spine is too long, so the tip base is not flush with the shell at the rear. The trace of the eagle wing in front shows that the "Semper Talis" banner has been added, the chinstrap and Landcokade are copies, the rear spine return nut under the neck cover is modern, etc...
The Semper Talis banner is available as a copy. The absence of markings is a redhibitory factor for 1GzF.
When it comes to buying all these prestigious helmets, you absolutely must have a thorough understanding of the subject, and have the helmet in your hand. For the "Semper Talis" banner, access to the lapel is imperative. For the troop model, no front rivet, the screw is welded to the headband, and 2 staples at the end of the band, to cover the wingtip.
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Here, the headband is capped by the top of the wing, whereas it should be the other way round, with the eagle plated to the leather and the bottom of the banner acollerated to the top of the wing.
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I'm delighted to be able to contribute my old-fashioned expertise here, based on fieldwork.
We often see helmets from the 2nd and 3rd battalions, with the Semper Talis reproduction banner added, but here it's worse.
To detect gavanoplasty, or counterfeiting, it is essential to access the back of the plate. A difference in patina is not a cause for concern, as different treatments (pure nickel silver, Berlink white, silver plating, etc.) may react differently over time.
That is a great exampleThis helmet is entirely composite, i.e. reassembled with various trims. The tip rivets are not identical, and the rear spine is too long, so the tip base is not flush with the shell at the rear. The trace of the eagle wing in front shows that the "Semper Talis" banner has been added, the chinstrap and Landcokade are copies, the rear spine return nut under the neck cover is modern, etc...
The Semper Talis banner is available as a copy. The absence of markings is a redhibitory factor for 1GzF.
When it comes to buying all these prestigious helmets, you absolutely must have a thorough understanding of the subject, and have the helmet in your hand. For the "Semper Talis" banner, access to the lapel is imperative. For the troop model, no front rivet, the screw is welded to the headband, and 2 staples at the end of the band, to cover the wingtip.
View attachment 42772View attachment 42773View attachment 42774
Here, the headband is capped by the top of the wing, whereas it should be the other way round, with the eagle plated to the leather and the bottom of the banner acollerated to the top of the wing.
View attachment 42775
I'm delighted to be able to contribute my old-fashioned expertise here, based on fieldwork.
We often see helmets from the 2nd and 3rd battalions, with the Semper Talis reproduction banner added, but here it's worse.
To detect gavanoplasty, or counterfeiting, it is essential to access the back of the plate. A difference in patina is not a cause for concern, as different treatments (pure nickel silver, Berlink white, silver plating, etc.) may react differently over time.
The few I've seen that were genuine all had this type of plate hook without perforating the leather shell. My friend Roger, who has access to major collections worldwide, told me this was imperative. ( in the case of Kammer entlisten men ). Given the very small numbers produced (1 Battalion), I'm thinking of a uniform system (for the Kammer). Joker for the officers and Extra-Helm for a one-year contract.That is a great example
But I don't think that we can that every "correct " helmet
was done exactly that way
How many have been looked at to say that they are all the same way ?
Steve
ThanksThe few I've seen that were genuine all had this type of plate hook without perforating the leather shell. My friend Roger, who has access to major collections worldwide, told me this was imperative. ( in the case of Kammer entlisten men ).
Great photos and great informationHere's a complete reproduction of a 1GzF 1B 0fficer from Spikehelmets. Obviously, the "tile" effect of the overlapping trim is not correct. It's also clear that the headband covers the front star. View attachment 42788
View attachment 42787Observe the optical quality of this reproduction. The only way to formally identify a copy is to access the back of the trim.
Thanks for the comment and informationYes, Steve, yours shows an Extra-Helm Eigentum liner, "alter Art", for one-year commitment. The rear spine has no air vent, and shows a rivet instead of a nut, to hold the return under neck cover. It's an M91. So, when this helmet was built and delivered, the entire regiment didn't yet have a Semper Talis banner, dating back to 1899. As it was a private purchase (unmarked by Kammer), the anchoring system was freer.
In fact, it's easy to see that the folding-leg rivet, the imprint of which can still be seen, was in place before the banner's central fixing nut. This nut inspires me, and doesn't look like a modern reproduction.
I fully agree with that comment Maybe also worn by a "Kapitulant", a soldier who served voluntarily for a longer period of time.Yes, Steve, yours shows an Extra-Helm Eigentum liner, "alter Art", for one-year commitment. The rear spine has no air vent, and shows a rivet instead of a nut, to hold the return under neck cover. It's an M91. So, when this helmet was built and delivered, the entire regiment didn't yet have a Semper Talis banner, dating back to 1899. As it was a private purchase (unmarked by Kammer), the anchoring system was freer.
In fact, it's easy to see that the folding-leg rivet, the imprint of which can still be seen, was in place before the banner's central fixing nut. This nut inspires me, and doesn't look like a modern reproduction.
PhilippeI fully agree with that comment Maybe also worn by a "Kapitulant", a soldier who served voluntarily for a longer period of time.
Philippe