Ok OK, I can be inflexible are hard-nosed until I see some evidence. But this is certainly very interesting and as Chas said, seems to indicate that for at least this one Korps, you could buy from a BA. I woudl love to know the details, but we will never have those I am sure.Gustaf said:
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Ho, Ho, my friend! You will find neither in this topic. :evil3: For the most part, it is still on course.Gustaf said:
Chas.
spikeymikey
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Hey Chas how was 'Rat Patrol' tonight? Up to expectations or a bitter dissapointment?
Do you remember it, Gus? And what about 'Combat'?
Anyone like 'Pink Floyd'?
Do you remember it, Gus? And what about 'Combat'?
Anyone like 'Pink Floyd'?
reservist1
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Interesting helmet and marked to a one year volunteer makes perfect sense. The Verkauft marking would have made it clear when equipmenrt was being turned in at the end of the service term that the helmet was no longer crown property. I believe issue helmets also exist marked with an E to signify the item was sold.
joerookery
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Translation?????
OK, Al sent in the first Saxon picture a while ago and I put it on the web site, but misinterpreted what it was for. I thought that the verkauft mark signified a purchase from the manufacturer.
I had another example of an M91 looked to have been modified over time. It was marked to the 107 Regiment part of XIX Corps
And now Steve comes along and gives us one that has a one year volunteer sticker on it. This is marked to Regiment 177. Part of XII Corps.
Both Corps marked examples, and all three helmets we have are Saxon. So at least in Saxony, you could buy Crown property. This is similar to the US army today were certain uniform items are disposed of. I'm trying to remember but I think that the example in the Wehrmacht awards uniforms thread was Bavarian.
I've been doing some Saxon reading, and while I have not discovered anything on this yet. I found something very interesting in the officer trichter world. More on this later. In the meantime, here's another Saxon oddity... check out the spike and the ventilating system.
joerookery
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In the Saxon officer uniform regulation, I stumbled on this. There is no such entry for any other kind of helmet.
reservist1
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Joe: Nice Saxon helmet. This is essentially the experimental helmet for the 1906 experimental field grey uniform. There is a photo of a Prussuian Probe sample on page 23 of The German Army in World War One
by Jurgen Kraus
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by Jurgen Kraus
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spikeymikey
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Yup, good thinking, Gus. It was naughty of me and this is no place for such trivia.
Nice helmets from Joe now also. What incredible stuff!
Nice helmets from Joe now also. What incredible stuff!
Thanks for your kind comments guys. I have owned this helmet for 20 years, it has always been one of my favorites. No, there won't be any more pics because I exhausted my limited talents and patience getting these up. There is a faint circular Dresden maker's stamp dated 1912, and the size 55.5 is faintly visible in the pic where the owner's label is torn.
This thread epitomises for me the beauty of this forum. Adding to the common knowledge by pooling our collections and experiences puts us on the cutting edge of this collecting genre as far as I'm concerned.
Chas, I like your helmet. I don't see why an officer couldn't purchase a less expensive, more sturdy helmet for field use.
Steve
joerookery
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And the Lord said: Let there be light! Amen brother AN ALLY!!!!! Diensthelms forever! Ok back to learning about the visor trims on filz jobs.....
spikeymikey
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Thank's anyway Steve. I'm not surprised to learn that you've kept hold of that one so long!
joerookery
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A half size issue helmet. Doesn't this also change a few thoughts?
reservist1
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Joe: Perhaps I missed something in this thread but I don't understand your point about "half size" issue helmets. In my collection I have 4 standard issue helmets that are marked with half sizes. The dates in the helmets range from 1901 through 1915.
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joerookery
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R1 makes sense. There was just some comment somewhere that issue helmets only came in full sizes. I guess that is laid to rest. Another one bites the dust!
I'll believe it when I see a period photo of one being worn. :laughing6:joerookery said:
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In a shameless attempt to stretch this topic to seven pages, I would like to revisit Tony's comment for a moment. I, for one, am inclined to agree with his point of view. However, with respect to Pickelhauben, comfort is a relative term. When I look at some of the period photographs, I get a headache from those picturing a helmet fitted so tightly it looks as though goose grease and a shoe horn were required just to accomplish the don and doffing. Furthermore, it amazes me just how clean most liners are, given the pomades and hygienic standards of the day.Tony & Kaiser said:
Below is an M15 Württemberg Landwehr Offizier Pickelhaube I would be loathe to wear. The helmet is Vulkanfibre and the liner plain cotten with an oil cloth sweatband (yuck).
Imagine, if you will, the cotton drenched in perspiration and a sweatband that would function only as a waterproof barrier. Given the choice, I might opt for an issue style leather liner; at least it would breath.
In any event, the Württ helmet is interesting to look at: gilt washed zinc chinscales, brass furniture, and no colored paper under visor panels.
Chas.
Now you see, that is exactly what I would call a Diensthelm. It has a low quality liner and the undersides of the visors are plain. This fellow could have had a high quality one for dress and walking out, wearing this one in the field. or, he did not have a lot of money and this was all he could afford. What a wonderful example, especially with that spike. But......... ya should a started a new thread man. That ain't Sachsen.