Johann Rinza

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Johann Rinza

Post by b.loree » Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:36 pm

I was given this grouping in the summer of 2013 by one of the relations of the Cdn vet who brought them home. The story is a familiar one, vet dies and family sets to clearing out his house for resale and discovers these items. I asked but got no answer, as to what outfit our Cdn soldier belonged to or his name. There was a Luger pistol as well but that was scooped by another relation. On one of the soldbuch pages it indicated that Rinza was issued with a Pistole 08 but this was later crossed out. The items were given to me because the family member knew I collect old military stuff. I hesitated for a bit to post this, I have no idea what happened to Johann, he was only 21 in 1944. I hope our guy took him prisoner and that he survived the war. The pictures:
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The soldbuch was kept in a pocket size brown cardboard folder.

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Next came a blue cloth page with particulars and foto.

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The blue cloth cover wrapped around the soldbuch. I believe Johann was trained as a driver in a Luftwaffe flack unit.

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The actual cover of the buch.

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January 1st 1944, Corporal. Note Flieger is crossed out and changed to Kanonier

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Lots of immunizations beginning in Aug 1942. This suggests he was 19 when he was signed up.

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Lots of written and stamped Fallsch. Jg. entries which of course are German Paratroops.

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EK 2 awarded June 10, 44. Granted to 2 leaves to go home to Frankfurt.

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The other pieces in the grouping, including a flak badge, RAD pin and Eastern Front medal, all late war pot metal. I am not trained in German, I have absolutely no education in the language. So, I am quite prepared to be corrected on the assumptions made here about the buch entries. If a member could contribute corrections or add information it would be much appreciated. This grouping was sold at SOS 14 by me as I do not collect 3rd Reich, it was fascinating to study the entries though.
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Re: Johann Rinza

Post by WWI Collector » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:13 am

I am sure that sold fast. He was Fallschirmjäger! :lol:

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Post by b.loree » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:03 am

Yes, I had no problem selling the grouping, the proceeds helped pay for the pickelhauben and wappen that I bought at SOS 2014. The soldbuch was very cool but its out of my area of interest and you can't keep everything that comes your way.
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Re: Johann Rinza

Post by usa1918 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:05 am

b.loree wrote: you can't keep everything that comes your way.
I feel the same way, but according to my wife, I fail miserably

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Post by b.loree » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:03 pm

Yes, Keith you have to set some sort of limits but it is hard...all these pieces are so compelling but this buch belongs in a WW 2 collection. I am still hoping that some of our German members can provide further information. For example, I know there is obviously a Fallshcrimjager connection here but I see him as a Luft flack gunner/driver attached to those Battalions not as an actual parachutist. The flack badge seems to confirm this as does the change in assignment from flieger to kanonier. I did check a website that deals strictly with soldbuchs and how to read them. I did learn some things there.
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Re: Johann Rinza

Post by poniatowski » Fri May 15, 2015 1:44 pm

b.loree wrote:Yes, Keith you have to set some sort of limits but it is hard...all these pieces are so compelling but this buch belongs in a WW 2 collection. I am still hoping that some of our German members can provide further information. For example, I know there is obviously a Fallshcrimjager connection here but I see him as a Luft flack gunner/driver attached to those Battalions not as an actual parachutist. The flack badge seems to confirm this as does the change in assignment from flieger to kanonier. I did check a website that deals strictly with soldbuchs and how to read them. I did learn some things there.
He could've done just about anything in an airborne unit (Fallshirmjager), but being changed from a Flieger (flier) to a Kanonier suggests he was on some sort of air crew. Evidently the Luftwaffe needed to use ground based anti-aircraft more as their fighter aircraft were destroyed. This happened all over the place. I had a (late) friend who was a US Artilleryman. During the 'Bulge', he was tanker and infantryman as well before going back to the guns, while another (an anti-tank gunner) was put on foot and never went back!

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