Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

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Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by pickelhauben » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:39 pm

Here is my latest project . When I got it , it was missing the front visor trim both visors were detached from the body and the rear visor was broken in two. The dome was completely collapsed with a 4 inch rip that the ball spike was sagging/ falling into.

I didn't think of taking any pics before but I was able to retrieve this one.

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Kind of tiny . I will try and take some pics as I progress.
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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by aicusv » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:20 pm

Would love to see what you have done, a better photo would help. I know that you some of us (me in particular) photography isn't our thing.

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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by pickelhauben » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:27 am

aicusv wrote:Would love to see what you have done, a better photo would help. I know that you some of us (me in particular) photography isn't our thing.
Yes you are right. I won this off of ebay a time before I joined the forum . When I started the restoration I did not think of taking any pictures . So when I tried to retrieve pictures off of ebay time expired and the the one I was able to retrieve is the one I used.

But I did use my phone ( I had forgotten ) to take some pictures and sent them to Randy T. to see what he thought . Here they are.

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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by pickelhauben » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:49 am

When I got the helmet I decided that it was just in too bad of shape until I inspected the inside. Written in pencil was

H DUNBAR
ho 315th (E 15th ?) Engineering Found Nov 1918

After seeing this the helmet was worth rebuilding and I decided not to scrap the dome and using a new dome from a donar helmet.

The first thing I did was super glue the 4 inch tear. I did this by pinching the tear together every half inch or so and spot the glue holding the tear as tight as possible. Onec done I came back with a full bead of glue.

The helmet was so soft and with the collapse that I had to get radical with the use of fiberglass cloth and resin. Shellac or lacquer would not have worked. I managed to make a contraption out of thread rod to block the helmet up using the disc spike base and used a wooden hat shaper to shape and align the dome.

I cut the fiberglass cloth into thin strips starting at the top of the dome and stopping at the visor stich line I went around the helmet laying down the cloth with blackened resin.

The I went back after the first application and filled in the gaps. Then sanded . I went back about 4 times spot hitting it with the black resin filling in the low spots. I need to go one more time and it will be right.

This method was a bit mutch but I am glad I saved the dome. Now some coloring and re stitch the visors I will have a nice display piece using all the original parts.

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Now after a little more sanding I will use black shoe dye and go over that with black shoe polish.

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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by Pontiac9999 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:34 pm

Wow, nice work!

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Post by kaiser » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:11 pm

Thats a helmet with a challence to it cant wait to see the result on it

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Post by glenn66 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:01 am

Good luck! :thumb up:

Looking forward to seeing progressive shots!

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Post by edwin » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:57 am

Good luck and keep us informed :D

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Post by b.loree » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:39 am

Very cool, great job. I look forward to seeing the end result !
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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by Westfront » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:34 am

Nice helmet goodluck with the restoration :thumb up:

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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by pickelhauben » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:34 am

Thanks guys for the encouragement .

The reason I went with this radical fix is as I stated before the dome was crushed and extremely soft. Almost like a glove or worn out pair of leather shoes .

It would have collapsed if I would have tried shellac or lacquer .

I am busy with another project not pertaining to pickelhaubes probably through the month of Dec.

I make and build military models and I am working on a 1/18th scale Russian 'Hind ' Helicopter.

I need to finish the prototype and then it will go into production.

Once this is done I will have a chance to get back on this project.

Unless I get a few free days playing hooky .

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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by poniatowski » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:59 pm

You've really found yourself a fun challenge there! I like the name of the Engineer in it. I also have a vet bring-back that was taken by an engineer, but from the 13th. Interested to see how this progresses. :)

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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by dusmif » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:46 pm

Very nice work, I never thought that a helmet in that condition could be restored.
Did I noticed right to say that you sanded the helmet surface, if yes what did you use to bring it back to life.
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Post by pickelhauben » Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:22 pm

dusmif wrote:Very nice work, I never thought that a helmet in that condition could be restored.
Did I noticed right to say that you sanded the helmet surface, if yes what did you use to bring it back to life.
Thanks
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I used fiber glass cloth and black colored fiber glass resin.

At first I cut the cloth into aprx 3/8 inch strips . After blocking the shell out painted the resin on the shell from top to visor stich line then laid on the cloth . Then I came right back on the cloth painting more of the resin.

Once that had set up I came back and filled in with cut to fit fiber glass cloth to fill in the spaces .

After the second wave of glass went on . Once set I sanded the whole thing. Then went back about 3 times filling in low spots with the resin. Sanded and repeated.

The trick is to sand LIGHTLY USING 80 GRIT sand paper. This step is that your trying to shape not soo much sand. Then come back with 120-180 grit sand paper to smooth everything out. Then wash with denatured alcohol . The sanded area will look gray and the low spots will look black. Then you touch up the low areas ( black ) then sand and repeat.

It took me about a day to get it were it is now . Appling / spot hitting 4 times with the resin.
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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by dusmif » Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:37 pm

pickelhauben wrote:
dusmif wrote:Very nice work, I never thought that a helmet in that condition could be restored.
Did I noticed right to say that you sanded the helmet surface, if yes what did you use to bring it back to life.
Thanks
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I used fiber glass cloth and black colored fiber glass resin.

At first I cut the cloth into aprx 3/3 inch strips . After blocking the shell out painted the resin on the shell from top to visor stich line then laid on the cloth . Then I came right back on the cloth painting more of the resin.

Once that had set up I came back and filled in with cut to fit fiber glass cloth to fill in the spaces .

After the second wave of glass went on . Once set I sanded the whole thing. Then went back about 3 times filling in low spots with the resin. Sanded and repeated.

The trick is to sand LIGHTLY USING 80 GRIT sand paper. This step is that your trying to shape not soo much sand. Then come back with 120-180 grit sand paper to smooth everything out. Then wash with denatured alcohol . The sanded area will look gray and the low spots will look black. Then you touch up the low areas ( black ) then sand and repeat.

It took me about a day to get it were it is now . Appling / spot hitting 4 times with the resin.
Thanks mate, that require a lot of dedication, I must say.
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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by glenn66 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:35 am

And fibreglass dust itches like hell if it gets onto your skin. I repaired a motorcycle fairing years ago wearing only shorts due to the heat of summer and my thighs itched for about 3 days! (I had the fairing sitting on my lap)

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Post by poniatowski » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:25 pm

Well! You answered my question. I was just going to ask if you put some FG cloth in with the resin (could actually see it in the photos when I looked again). The cloth is important because the resin will crack after a while if it's not reenforced.

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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by pickelhauben » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:17 am

Well I started this project about a year and a half ago and I will work on it all day on Mardi Gras .No parades for me.

I am not sure how far I will get but we shall see.

I am thinking about stabilizing the liner by glueing some thin back up leather pieces behind the worn through areas over the ears .

Then I think that I will re- stain the liner black .

I have never seen anybody do this but I have seen plenty of liners with oils applied .

It does look pretty worn as is .

Do you guys think that this will help or hurt this helmet ?


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Post by Jaap Verduijn » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:55 am

I take my hat off to you, with a deep bow! About your question: I think you have already done so much impressive work to preserve this helmet for future generations, that I wouldn't stop now but go all the way. The liner could do with a bit of stabilizing indeed, and the next logical step is to stain/paint it black again. :bravo:
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Post by aicusv » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:23 am

Great work, as to the liner, well anything you do will have to help. I know some guys are totally against even oiling a liner, but if the choice is between saving what is left or loosing it, Good luck, I'm sure the finished piece will look great, can't wait to see photos.

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Post by Sandmann » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:49 pm

Really good idea with the Fibreglass..I‘m very impressed about your work on this Cinderella-Helmet 👏🏼👏🏼
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Post by pickelhauben » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:35 am

Thanks for the encouragement guys.

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Post by pickelhauben » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:00 pm

Al right moving along liner repair work .

I used deer skin leather because I was able to skive it thin thin and it remained supple . I used contact leather glue . You spread it on both pieces then touch them together . Instant bond and bendable.

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Prepping for liner re-installation.
I will be using thick super glue to instal the liner . I know , I know it should be sewn in but I thin ktat the liner may not make it and may just crumble or be worst for the ware.
So glue it will be.

I ran a bead of super glue over the thread line to stabalize it and give me somethng for the glue to stick to.
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Then I smoothed things out with a dremel then repeated the process and Dremeled that as well.

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Post by pickelhauben » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:41 pm

As the liner glue cures out I decided to sew on the visors.
It gets easier each one I do .
But this was a tad easier because I did not have to fight the liner.

Remember dull the point of the needle.
It makes it sooo much easier when fishing for those holes.

Bills on and 2 coats of black shoe dye.
I will cover everything with shoe polish when I am ready.

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The underside of the visor s are BLACK

I usually see this with a fireman's helmet .
Have any of you guys seen this before ?

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Post by Jaap Verduijn » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:36 am

In one word: WOW! :thumb up: :thumb up: :thumb up:

As for your question about the black visors; many is the front visor I saw with a black inside - on helmets with fiber visors it's even very common, at least it was among the pieces in my long gone collections.

The back visor... I wonder if it doesn't simply look black, while in fact being very dark brown leather.
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Post by Sandmann » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:32 am

I like the paint-job, it fits perfectly to such an old Helmet with history. Well done :bravo:
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Re: Rebuilding a Grenadier Arty

Post by aicusv » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:42 am

Looking good. As to visor color same as what Jaap said. I have some with black visors, but I believe them to be fiber.

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Post by pickelhauben » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:01 pm

aicusv wrote:
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Looking good. As to visor color same as what Jaap said. I have some with black visors, but I believe them to be fiber.
Thanks guys.

No these are thick gauge leather just black .

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Post by pickelhauben » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:11 pm

OK guys , I will call this a wrap. After I dyed the shell black I put a coat of shoe polish and that as all ways nocks the shine down just a little that looks much better.

I had to play around with the replacement front visor trim and had to solder a split rivet for the rear spine.

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Post by pickelhauben » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:16 pm

I stippled black paint mixed a little with white to get a charcoal look and did not cover 100% . After all this thing is over 100 years old and the liner wood not look new.

Although I do have some that does :thumb up: :thumb up: :thumb up:

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Post by Jaap Verduijn » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:02 am

Yoy have done a truly spectacular job! :bravo:
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Post by aicusv » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:16 am

Wow - looks really good. Great job. You saved another.

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Post by pickelhauben » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:02 am

Thanks guys.

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Post by Sandmann » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:08 pm

I‘m very impressed. Outstanding job 👏🏼
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Post by 911car » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:54 pm

Amazing resurrection!!

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Post by b.loree » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:03 pm

Now that looks a hell of a lot better, well done. :thumb up:
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