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Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Sat May 19, 2018 6:44 am

Next week my second Pickelhaube will arrive
This time ist is a prussian Reserve "other ranks"
unfortunately i have this time only the shown pictures... but maybe it its enough for a first opinion
The helmet must have given from "hand to hand"..there are many owners names inside.. and a few stamps, which i cant read on the pictures

when she arrives, i will show much better pictures for sure

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by 911car » Sat May 19, 2018 8:28 am

Pickelhaube 1 was a nice one!

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Sat May 19, 2018 8:43 am

This one not?

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by 911car » Sat May 19, 2018 10:06 am

Hesi wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 8:43 am
This one not?
Well, I hate disappointing you but the eagle is for an officer helmet, spike base attachments are wrong, the front visor rim is iron, coming from an M15 model, and the spine is at least broken, and possibly missing. Looks like a put-together helmet... sorry.

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Sat May 19, 2018 10:09 am

Oh.. this sounds not good.. thanks for your opinion! If she arrives better pictures will come...

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by b.loree » Sat May 19, 2018 10:57 am

The large cross on the wappen indicates Prussian Landwehr not reservist. The spike base brads are repros because the prongs are too long and shiny. The front visor trim does look to be M15 steel. The liner is also a model 1915 style as it is undyed , a natural leather colour. The older style of chin scales which have been put on this helmet do not match this liner. To match, the liner would be dyed black. It is also my opinion, that this is a fireman's helmet dressed up to be a pickelhaube. Many hauben were converted to fire helmets after the war. They have a brass or white metal “comb” which runs down the top of the helmet to the back. These combs cause a matching depression in the top of the shell, you can see this depression both on the inside and outside of the shell. So this piece has been faked and put together. Do not feel bad Thomas, we have all made mistakes when beginning our hauben collections. Please post some better fotos of this but I really feel that you will need to send this one back for a refund.
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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Sat May 19, 2018 11:10 am

Also thanks for this information.. i will post good pictures when she artives.. i got her by an exchange.. i think i will hold her for an example how it should NOT look...
It´s the nature of the things that you somtimes have to pay some „learning money“ when you enter a new sector of collecting..
Maybe there is a way to make her „correct“.. we will see...

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Post by b.loree » Sat May 19, 2018 1:25 pm

An example of the fireman's "comb" that was put on this helmet after the war:

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You will note that the depression seen in the top of the shell, matches this shape.
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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Sat May 19, 2018 1:36 pm

Yes.. you are right.. i didnˋt noticed that on the dark pictures.... this was in the theme Pickelhauben my first fault.. surely not my last.... thanks for your explanation

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by kaiser » Sat May 19, 2018 1:43 pm

Your first helmet was the better one ,its a shame on this one becose its not a good one as allready was mentiont
If you are offered a helmet i think its better to show it here to get some second third and even more opinions on the helmets becose its always a shame you end up with a parts helmet or a put together one
If it was for money in my opinion it was a waste

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Sat May 19, 2018 1:54 pm

Yor are right Jonas... the next time i will post here before i buy.. this one comes from a friend of mine.. he bought it years ago.. now i asked him dor it and we made an exchange.. ist not a great desaster.. as i said above.. i will hold it.. maybe for a needed soare part sometimes.. donˋt want to gibe it back to my friend.. i nerved him too much to get it.. :D

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Post by b.loree » Sat May 19, 2018 4:28 pm

Thomas, this is one of the easier haube lessons then, good to hear you did not lose money. There are some good parts on this helmet. One of our main purposes here is to provide new collectors with information before they "Buy". There are many fakes out there and we do not want members to get burned.
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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Sat May 19, 2018 6:10 pm

Yes Jonas.. and this was a good reason to join this forum.. it is so much to learn.. and i read a lot here.. and i learn a lot here.. and itˋs nice to meet friendly people, who help me.. I am a member in some other Forums.. there „mainstream“ is WW2.. Here i habe my experience.. WW 1 is all new.. Collecting is wide area and i like very much to share experience. There are too many black sheeps and fakes all around.. earn experience is a must. I hope i found the right words.. english is no my mother language.. but i think you understand what i mean :D

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Post by kaiser » Sun May 20, 2018 1:06 am

I see it this way, share the experience with others that are new or fairly new with the ww1 era that is a must
Why keeping the knodledge for yourself if you collect.
Sharing information is a way of life not just for us but many generations after us that will follow the footsteps of collecting

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Wed May 23, 2018 8:36 am

The second Pickelhaube has arrived...
And you all were right... You can see clearly the imprint of the Kamm or Ziegelbrecher. The rear spine is broken off at the bottom, the visor trim is silver..
There are some stamps they i cant´t read.. inside is one dated 1916

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by coert65 » Wed May 23, 2018 9:17 am

Hi,

Do not worry, everybody makes mistakes at first time collecting these helmets.
I bought a Einjährige freiwilliger helmet once, or so I thought. But it turned out to be a parts-helmet too.
Yours looks to me to have been a M15 once, made by Hans Römer in Neu-Ulm, in 1916.
And after the war made in a firemans helmet, and later was made a pickelhaube again, but using the wrong parts from a M95.
You could try to buy the correct M15 spike, a wappen and some correct posts for it, or leave it as is.
The reservist wappen is worth money, so are some of it's other parts.

Greetings, Coert :)

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Wed May 23, 2018 9:31 am

Thank you Coert.. as i stated above.. i ´ve got her from a friend.. in a exchange... i will see what i will do.. change to a M15 is maybe a way....
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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Sandmann » Wed May 23, 2018 9:35 am

Sorry for your bad lesson, but that’s also a good example why I love this Forum. It‘s very honesty and here is a very high level of knowledge and helpfullness. I‘m always impressed about the details and faults some members are able to detect only by a short look on a picture (but also by the large number of fakes on the market :twisted: )
Better to ask once more than less and the next find will be a winner again :thumb up:
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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Wed May 23, 2018 10:04 am

Ah.. for sure next time it will be runs better :)
And it is not extremely bad.. it was a Pickelhaube.. then it changed duty and later she was „reactivated“ :D
I will see that i will get the proper items for her and make a M15 again....

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by poniatowski » Thu May 24, 2018 1:41 pm

As Brian said, you have some parts there that are nice. I have a couple civilian helmets from places I've visited, or because of the cool wappen (City of Worms for example). If you can find the comb and a plate that matches any imprint that may be there, you might even have a nice fireman's helmet restored, but I wonder about the side holes from the spike base. Yes, my first helmet was bought from a publication in the US called 'Shotgun News' and was a 'rare and beautiful spiked helmet'... yeah, it was neither (It even lacked the front visor, trim, but no visor and the liner was all torn to shreds). I fixed it up (i.e killed what little value it had), and still have it as a form for an Uberzug. You could always use this one for that purpose as well.

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by joerookery » Fri May 25, 2018 7:45 am

I detected a little confusion on these crosses. Maybe I am wrong but this poorly written 2004 article might help.

http://pickelhauben.net/landwehr-crosses-the-basics/

When it comes to Prussian officer wappen there are three distinct types. Active, reserve, and Landwehr. Then there are a million variations on a theme. I am not so sure the article says that clearly. I am only trying to help.
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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by pickelhauben » Fri May 25, 2018 8:54 am

There is always something special about your first pickelhaube .

Your helmet is definitely a parts helmet , but the parts do have value so do not feel down .

Spike--------------------------- $45-$65
Reserve Off plate ------------$150
Flat brass chinscales ---------$250
Chinstrap rosetts --------------$35
Silver front visor trim --------$35
Damaged rear Off spine -----$15
Riechs/Prussian cocardes----$100-$150
Fireman's shell with liner--- $50-$75

So all is not a loss your helmet is NOT worthless.

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Fri May 25, 2018 10:35 am

Thanks you all for your opinions and tips! I am very thankful for them. It‘s so much to learn.. but this make it so interesting...

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by poniatowski » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:17 pm

I like your location, "stormy northern Germany".... we're off to NRW in August near Münster, a city named Gütersloh.

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Re: Pickelhaube 2 is on the way

Post by Hesi » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:55 pm

Hi Poniatovski,
My roots are in NRW too.. i come from Düsseldorf.. butsince 1982 i live in lower Saxony.. in the Elbe Weser Triangle.. a small city called Bremervörde. I Spend my 12 years military duty here and after that time i stuck here :D

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