More Helmets For Sale - ALL SOLD

List any Pickelhauben or parts you are selling here.

Moderators: Peter_Suciu, J.LeBrasseur

Post Reply
User avatar
pickelhauben
Exceptional Contributor
Exceptional Contributor
Posts: 806
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:21 pm
Location: New Orleans

More Helmets For Sale - ALL SOLD

Post by pickelhauben » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:19 pm

Hey Guys,

The liquidation continues

This week I have a Prussian 1913 NCO Dragoon, war time tin Bavarian and pre-war Baden NCO Arty

1913 Prussian Dragoon $1,200 plus shipping . SOLD !!

The helmet's markings are hard to make out but the 1913 stamp is clear.
All original with minor crazing to skull and visors
NCO pearling twist to open and close air vents on spike neck.
I missed getting a shot of the back of the plate let me know if you need that shot. Plate is whole and original.

Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image

Image
Image
Image
Image


Bavarian war time tin $900 plus shipping. REASONABLE OFFERS CONSIDERED

95% paint has about 4 dings on back of helmet Post war C/S missing Bav cokared
Liner is all there ( Heavy ware )but I tore it taking the plate off look at pics ](*,)
Tip of spike has tiny hole in it.

Image
Image
Image

Image
Image

Image
Image

Pre-war NCO Baden Arty. $1,200 plus shipping. REASONABLE OFFERS CONSIDERED


Private purchase
Ball is static
Old style liner with smaller squared double holed fingers . Heavy ware with 2 inch tear but all there.
Original cocarde
Old style split back dome covered by rear spine
Back of helmet has shrunkin .
Rear visor is missing a patch of shellac.

Image

[
Image
Image

Image

Image
Image
Image
Image
Last edited by pickelhauben on Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:09 am, edited 3 times in total.

911car
Special Ranks Member
Special Ranks Member
Posts: 1914
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:59 pm
Location: Los Angeles USA

Re: More Helmets For Sale

Post by 911car » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:06 pm

Hi, why did you write this a NCO Dragoner helmet? (I mean, why NCO?)

User avatar
pickelhauben
Exceptional Contributor
Exceptional Contributor
Posts: 806
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:21 pm
Location: New Orleans

Re: More Helmets For Sale

Post by pickelhauben » Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:16 pm

911car wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:06 pm
Hi, why did you write this a NCO Dragoner helmet? (I mean, why NCO?)
The NCO type pearlring with the vent twist shutter.

I am no export but the EMs to my knowledge did not have the vent option.

911car
Special Ranks Member
Special Ranks Member
Posts: 1914
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:59 pm
Location: Los Angeles USA

Re: More Helmets For Sale

Post by 911car » Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:42 pm

Interesting. I was not aware of this detail. All EM Dragoner helmets had the pearlring, of course, but I did not know NCOs also had the twist shutter. I only knew the EM M91 spike with the twist shutter... On the other hand, your helmet is by all means a bona fide EM model.

User avatar
pickelhauben
Exceptional Contributor
Exceptional Contributor
Posts: 806
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:21 pm
Location: New Orleans

Re: More Helmets For Sale

Post by pickelhauben » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:16 pm

Here is a pic of the back of the plate

Image

User avatar
SkipperJohn
Special Ranks Member
Special Ranks Member
Posts: 1406
Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:22 am

Re: More Helmets For Sale

Post by SkipperJohn » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:22 pm

The twist shutter, open and closed vents, was standard on all helmets until 1895.
Both the Model 1887 and Model 1891 had the close-able vents.
I believe that the Dragoon is a Model 1891, but the Baden is a Model 1871 --- no slider vent, close-able spike vent, screw posts for the chinscales, and a single Kokarde.
The Dragoon may be double-dated to an earlier Model 1891 or pre-1895 Model.
I would be very interested in the Dragoon, but the timing is bad.

John :( :( :(

911car
Special Ranks Member
Special Ranks Member
Posts: 1914
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:59 pm
Location: Los Angeles USA

Re: More Helmets For Sale

Post by 911car » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:45 pm

I do not think this Dragoner helmet is a 1891 model:
- Side posts of the 95 - not 91 - type
- Spine attachment to the rear bill with a square nut
- Grommeted holes to attach the eagle

If it was born a M91, it was fully updated later, with the exception of the spike. Why not? The difference was hardly visible.

Now there is the question of ventilation holes. Classically, the M91 helmet would have two, while the 5 holes were only adopted on the 1895 model. I do have a M91 DR helmet with only two holes, and the twisting shutter. This is what you find in respected reference books. However, there are also accounts from equally trustable specialists of the presence of 5 holes on the M91 spike. Any opinion on this issue would be welcome.

At any rate, the present helmet is an interesting variation of the conventional M95 Dragoner helmet.

User avatar
SkipperJohn
Special Ranks Member
Special Ranks Member
Posts: 1406
Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:22 am

Re: More Helmets For Sale

Post by SkipperJohn » Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:46 pm

911car wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:45 pm
I do not think this Dragoner helmet is a 1891 model:
- Side posts of the 95 - not 91 - type
- Spine attachment to the rear bill with a square nut
- Grommeted holes to attach the eagle

If it was born a M91, it was fully updated later, with the exception of the spike. Why not? The difference was hardly visible.

Now there is the question of ventilation holes. Classically, the M91 helmet would have two, while the 5 holes were only adopted on the 1895 model. I do have a M91 DR helmet with only two holes, and the twisting shutter. This is what you find in respected reference books. However, there are also accounts from equally trustable specialists of the presence of 5 holes on the M91 spike. Any opinion on this issue would be welcome.

At any rate, the present helmet is an interesting variation of the conventional M95 Dragoner helmet.
The side posts are the M91 type --- that is when they were first used.
The use of five ventilation holes began in 1887. My Model 1891 has a rotary spike vent with 5 vent holes.
I still believe that the model of this Dragoon helmet dates between 1891 and 1894 --- even though the readable date is 1913.

John :)

911car
Special Ranks Member
Special Ranks Member
Posts: 1914
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:59 pm
Location: Los Angeles USA

Re: More Helmets For Sale

Post by 911car » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:28 pm

SkipperJohn wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:46 pm
911car wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:45 pm
I do not think this Dragoner helmet is a 1891 model:
- Side posts of the 95 - not 91 - type
- Spine attachment to the rear bill with a square nut
- Grommeted holes to attach the eagle

If it was born a M91, it was fully updated later, with the exception of the spike. Why not? The difference was hardly visible.

Now there is the question of ventilation holes. Classically, the M91 helmet would have two, while the 5 holes were only adopted on the 1895 model. I do have a M91 DR helmet with only two holes, and the twisting shutter. This is what you find in respected reference books. However, there are also accounts from equally trustable specialists of the presence of 5 holes on the M91 spike. Any opinion on this issue would be welcome.

At any rate, the present helmet is an interesting variation of the conventional M95 Dragoner helmet.
The side posts are the M91 type --- that is when they were first used.
The use of five ventilation holes began in 1887. My Model 1891 has a rotary spike vent with 5 vent holes.
I still believe that the model of this Dragoon helmet dates between 1891 and 1894 --- even though the readable date is 1913.

John :)
John, I do not think this helmet has any of the distinctive traits of an M91, with the exception of the twisting spike. M91 and M95 side posts were different, the former having a much prominent central dome. Side posts on this one are M95, not M91. I'd be happy to post pictures to illustrate these differences, but it has become impossible from a while ago.

User avatar
pickelhauben
Exceptional Contributor
Exceptional Contributor
Posts: 806
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:21 pm
Location: New Orleans

Re: More Helmets For Sale - ALL SOLD

Post by pickelhauben » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:10 am

ALL SOLD !!

Post Reply