The flags of the Kaiser Garde Grenadier Regt. 1 / I Batl and IV Batl on parade

[KAGGR#1]

Steve,
Yes we did! The fake ring was stamped as HR 4, the real ring is stamped HR IV. The devil is in the details.
Dennis

Dennis
And we also know that the H R 4 standarte was brought out of Russia on the original
pole and with the original unit ring still on the pole .
The flag is now in the collection of a private collector and I have photos of it .
Steve

 

[03FAHNEN]

Great photos Steve, thank you very much for sharing.
I would like to show the photos of flags that I have the 1 Garde Grenadier Regiment

 

[03FAHNEN]

The 1 Battalion also had an Honorary Band with inscriptions in Russian granted by Tsar Nicholas II of Russia in 1897. (The photo of the band is taken from the internet)

 

[KAGGR#1]

Great photos Steve, thank you very much for sharing.
I would like to show the photos of flags that I have the 1 Garde Grenadier Regiment

Very good photos
Thanks for the post
Steve

 

[KAGGR#1]

The 1 Battalion also had an Honorary Band with inscriptions in Russian granted by Tsar Nicholas II of Russia in 1897. (The photo of the band is taken from the internet)

Again excellent photos. All 4 of the flags of KAGGR#! were taken to Moscow
at the end of WWII .They were trooped in the Russian Victory Day Parade.
A few years ago the flag of the Fusilier Batl made it out of Russia.
The last that know about it is that is in the United States.
None of the parade banners came with the Fusilier Batl flag
As far as I know the other 3 flags are still in Russia .
In my collection I have the Sakular parade banners of the KAGGR# 1for the
Batl I and Batl II
The Sakular parade banner for the Fusilier Batl was at the Rastatt Museum
It has been moved to the DHM
Steve

 

[KAGGR#1]

Here are the photos of the KAGGR# 1 / Fusilier Batl flag that made it to the USA a few years ago.
The flag is on the original pole
The pole top is missing
No streamers came with the flag
What is odd is that the unit ring on the flag was incorrect
not reading KAGGR 1 / F B
it had on the pole the ring of K.F.G.G.R. / II.B.
A collector who helped the dealer spotted the incorrect ring
and was allowed to remove it since it was incorrect
and was able to buy it .
Later the collector traded the ring to me and it is still in my collection
You see the flag was "netted " years ago by the Germans
as it was trooped by the "new Army "
Steve

 

[KAGGR#1]

The silver ring below the unit ring is for when the new flag was applied to the old pole under
Kaiser Wilhelm II with the year date
Steve

 

[AlexSteve]

Again excellent photos. All 4 of the flags of KAGGR#! were taken to Moscow
at the end of WWII .They were trooped in the Russian Victory Day Parade.
A few years ago the flag of the Fusilier Batl made it out of Russia.
The last that know about it is that is in the United States.
None of the parade banners came with the Fusilier Batl flag
As far as I know the other 3 flags are still in Russia .
In my collection I have the Sakular parade banners of the KAGGR# 1for the
Batl I and Batl II
The Sakular parade banner for the Fusilier Batl was at the Rastatt Museum
It has been moved to the DHM
Steve

Good day!
Is it known total number of German empire’s regimental flags and standards, which were looted by the Soviet army in 1945?
What regiments did these flags belong to?

Regards, Alexander.

 

[KAGGR#1]

Good day!
Is it known total number of German empire’s regimental flags and standards, which were looted by the Soviet army in 1945?
What regiments did these flags belong to?

Regards, Alexander.

Hello
Yes it is known to be aprox 99 % correct
the number of flags
and their regiments
any flag that was still located in the part of Germany
that the Russians took at the end of WWII\were taken to Moscow .
Steve

 

[AlexSteve]

Sometime, I looked the digitized list of flags on the Russian parade created in 1945.

This list included flags of old regiments:
KR 1 and KR 5
DR 1, DR 8 and DR 10
UR 2, UR 4, UR 8, UR 10 and UR 12
HR 4 and HR 6
RHR 4
JägRzPf 9, JägRzPf 10 and JägRzPf 11
Jäg.B 3
I understand most of them returned to the West?

Regards, Alexander

 

[KAGGR#1]

Sometime, I looked the digitized list of flags on the Russian parade created in 1945.

This list included flags of old regiments:
KR 1 and KR 5
DR 1, DR 8 and DR 10
UR 2, UR 4, UR 8, UR 10 and UR 12
HR 4 and HR 6
RHR 4
JägRzPf 9, JägRzPf 10 and JägRzPf 11
Jäg.B 3
I understand most of them returned to the West?

Regards, Alexander

about your list
# 1 1LKR 1 is the only cavalry regiment that had 2 flags
both were in Russia and made their way out
I posted photos of both of them in another thread
a lucky collector in Europe now owns both of them
# 2 add D R 3 ( Grenadier Regt zu Pferde 3 to your list also in a private collection now
# 3 U R 2 was owed by the dealer Stephen Wolfe .A trade was done and the new owner is Jason Burmeister
# 4 H R 4 was brought out and is now in a private collection
# 5 one of the JzP flags was also owned by Wolfe and went to Burmeister
I don't remember the regiment
# 6 Jager Batl 3 came out .I owned it for a number of years and a few years ago
I traded it to a collector friend .It is still in the USA
These are the ones that I know about without going to my list
Steve

 

[AlexSteve]

about your list
# 1 1LKR 1 is the only cavalry regiment that had 2 flags
both were in Russia and made their way out
I posted photos of both of them in another thread
a lucky collector in Europe now owns both of them
# 2 add D R 3 ( Grenadier Regt zu Pferde 3 to your list also in a private collection now
# 3 U R 2 was owed by the dealer Stephen Wolfe .A trade was done and the new owner is Jason Burmeister
# 4 H R 4 was brought out and is now in a private collection
# 5 one of the JzP flags was also owned by Wolfe and went to Burmeister
I don't remember the regiment
# 6 Jager Batl 3 came out .I owned it for a number of years and a few years ago
I traded it to a collector friend .It is still in the USA
These are the ones that I know about without going to my list
Steve

Thanks!

I didn’t know the fate of DR 3 regimental standard.
It was not included in the Russian list of 1945. But the photographs confirm the fact of its capture by the Russians. Photos dated April 1945.
This standard is visible at the bottom of the photos. Also, there You can see two other cavalry standards. One M1860 and one swallowtail standard (red? or black? colour, with two? rings – HR 1?HR 3? )

Regards, Alexander

 

[KAGGR#1]

Thanks!

I didn’t know the fate of DR 3 regimental standard.
It was not included in the Russian list of 1945. But the photographs confirm the fact of its capture by the Russians. Photos dated April 1945.
This standard is visible at the bottom of the photos. Also, there You can see two other cavalry standards. One M1860 and one swallowtail standard (red? or black? colour, with two? rings – HR 1?HR 3? )

Regards, Alexander

Great photos that I have not seen before
In the 2nd photo we see the back side of a Sakular parade banner
Thank you for this post and photos
Steve

 

[KAGGR#1]

Good day!
Is it known total number of German empire’s regimental flags and standards, which were looted by the Soviet army in 1945?
What regiments did these flags belong to?

Regards, Alexander.

Here is the count of Imperial flags taken to Russia at the end of WWII
Infantry 188
Jager Batl 4
Cavalry 32
Artillery 6
Landwehr Infantry 51
Landwehr Cavalry 5
Pioneer Batl 7
Telegraph 6
Kadet house 1
Steve

 

[KAGGR#1]

Sometime, I looked the digitized list of flags on the Russian parade created in 1945.

This list included flags of old regiments:
KR 1 and KR 5
DR 1, DR 8 and DR 10
UR 2, UR 4, UR 8, UR 10 and UR 12
HR 4 and HR 6
RHR 4
JägRzPf 9, JägRzPf 10 and JägRzPf 11
Jäg.B 3
I understand most of them returned to the West?

Regards, Alexander

May I please ask where you located this list of the flags in Russia ?
I can confirm as correct
K R 1 & 5
D R 1 ; 8 & 10
U R 2 ; 4 : 8 : 10 & 12
H R 4 & 6 ; also 1 L H R 1 and 2 L H R 2 * I owned 2 L H R 2 at one time and did a big trade deal to another collector
J z P R 9 ; 10 & 11
Jager Batl 3
RHR4 I guess is reserve H R 4 which was at Breslau also correct
Steve

 

[KAGGR#1]

about your list
# 1 1LKR 1 is the only cavalry regiment that had 2 flags
both were in Russia and made their way out
I posted photos of both of them in another thread
a lucky collector in Europe now owns both of them
# 2 add D R 3 ( Grenadier Regt zu Pferde 3 to your list also in a private collection now
# 3 U R 2 was owed by the dealer Stephen Wolfe .A trade was done and the new owner is Jason Burmeister
# 4 H R 4 was brought out and is now in a private collection
# 5 one of the JzP flags was also owned by Wolfe and went to Burmeister
I don't remember the regiment
# 6 Jager Batl 3 came out .I owned it for a number of years and a few years ago
I traded it to a collector friend .It is still in the USA
These are the ones that I know about without going to my list
Steve

I will start a new thread for the Standarte of D R 3 ( G R z P # 3 ) with the photos
of it that I was able to get before it went into a private collection
Steve

 

[AlexSteve]

May I please ask where you located this list of the flags in Russia ?
I can confirm as correct
K R 1 & 5
D R 1 ; 8 & 10
U R 2 ; 4 : 8 : 10 & 12
H R 4 & 6 ; also 1 L H R 1 and 2 L H R 2 * I owned 2 L H R 2 at one time and did a big trade deal to another collector
J z P R 9 ; 10 & 11
Jager Batl 3
RHR4 I guess is reserve H R 4 which was at Breslau also correct
Steve

Yes, of course.
This is a list of flags that were selected for 1945 Victory parade. It was digitized a few years ago.
It's typewritten text on 4 pages (in Russian of course). Mostly this list included nazi flags M1935. Old flags are listed mainly at the top of the first page.
This list doesn't include DR 3, HR 1 and HR 2 - exactly.

Regards, Alexander

 

[KAGGR#1]

about your list
# 1 1LKR 1 is the only cavalry regiment that had 2 flags
both were in Russia and made their way out
I posted photos of both of them in another thread
a lucky collector in Europe now owns both of them
# 2 add D R 3 ( Grenadier Regt zu Pferde 3 to your list also in a private collection now
# 3 U R 2 was owed by the dealer Stephen Wolfe .A trade was done and the new owner is Jason Burmeister
# 4 H R 4 was brought out and is now in a private collection
# 5 one of the JzP flags was also owned by Wolfe and went to Burmeister
I don't remember the regiment
# 6 Jager Batl 3 came out .I owned it for a number of years and a few years ago
I traded it to a collector friend .It is still in the USA
These are the ones that I know about without going to my list
Steve

I will start a new thread for the Standarte of D R 3 ( G R z P # 3 ) with the photos
of it that I was able to get before it went into a private collection
Steve

Yes, of course.
This is a list of flags that were selected for 1945 Victory parade. It was digitized a few years ago.
It's typewritten text on 4 pages (in Russian of course). Mostly this list included nazi flags M1935. Old flags are listed mainly at the top of the first page.
This list doesn't include DR 3, HR 1 and HR 2 - exactly.

Regards, Alexander

Alexander
Thank you for this
I had not seen this list before
I am 100 % sure about the 2 L H R 2 swallowtail as I owned it at onetime .
Steve

 

[JzPf]

about your list
# 1 1LKR 1 is the only cavalry regiment that had 2 flags
both were in Russia and made their way out
I posted photos of both of them in another thread
a lucky collector in Europe now owns both of them
# 2 add D R 3 ( Grenadier Regt zu Pferde 3 to your list also in a private collection now
# 3 U R 2 was owed by the dealer Stephen Wolfe .A trade was done and the new owner is Jason Burmeister
# 4 H R 4 was brought out and is now in a private collection
# 5 one of the JzP flags was also owned by Wolfe and went to Burmeister
I don't remember the regiment
# 6 Jager Batl 3 came out .I owned it for a number of years and a few years ago
I traded it to a collector friend .It is still in the USA
These are the ones that I know about without going to my list
Steve

Steve,

JzP flag owned by Wolfe that went to Burmeister was the 11th. Also, the 9th is currently in a private collection in Germany.

Dennis

 

[pickelhauben]

Is the net sewn into the flag or is it like a sleave that encapsulates the flag ?
Nice flag !