Ersatz Kürassier Metallhelm

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Ersatz Kürassier Metallhelm

Post by Lost Skeleton » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:05 pm

If the subject is Ersatz helmets made of tin, the most unusual example is, arguably, the Kürassierhelm. After all, prewar and M15 Metallhelme were steel, and, beyond the liner, not dependent upon vast quantities of leather for fabrication. However, the tin Kürassierhelm benefitted from a greatly simplified construction, thereby conserving both time and material.

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Unlike conventional Kürassier helmets, the shell of the Ersatz tin consists of just three pieces: the neck guard is a single stamping with faux articulation and brads, the dome, with its faux spike base and brads, and the front visor. The helmet and Wappen were painted a uniform shade of green. The spike is static. The spike cone and Knopf 91 are brass.

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The liner in this specimen has seen better days. A "wool" skullcap, identical to the type found in tin Pickelhauben, originally provided a buffer between the tan liner and tin dome. Traces of this padding remain where it was attached to a cardboard ring supporting the liner. The liner itself is retained by two large washers and the Knopf 91.

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Prior to this acquisition, I had handled only two similar helmets. Both of these were stamped "8. J. P." on the neck guard. Mine is unmarked.

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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:23 am

Way to go! I did not know you had one of these. Recent aquisition? Every example I have seen, was also marked to "8. J. P."
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Post by Lost Skeleton » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:36 am

Hi Tony:

Thanks. The helmet arrived Friday via an eBay auction that ended last Tuesday.

Could you persuade ErsatzBoy to post a few pictures of his?

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Post by reservist1 » Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:25 am

Chas: Nice find. This style ersatz helmet is very difficult to find.

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Post by J.LeBrasseur » Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:27 am

Charles- I love it!

I saw it on Ebay and hoped it would go to a good home, it did!

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Post by Lost Skeleton » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:19 am

Bruno contacted me recently via PM and e-mailed the following pictures:
911car wrote: Here is another one, slightly different from yours. It has the correct
Kurassier eagle though. I still have some doubts about it and I always
wondered if it might be a copy... Do you know if reproductions of this
model were ever made? Feel free to put pictures on the website if you
feel like.
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I am not aware of reproductions of the Ersatz Kürassier. Original helmets are so rarely encountered, one would expect to see a repro in abundance. As for the genuine article, I saw one at the SOS in 2006, another was available through Malcom Fisher's Regimentals and is now in a private collection, and mine.

Based on the photos, I can see no reason to fault the helmet itself, but I would like to know more about the paint and black liner. Overall, the construction and singular qualities imply nothing more (or less) than a different manufacturer. The presence of the Kürassier eagle also lends weight to my opinion. I have an M15 Lachmann, a 1916 dated Schulz & Holdefleiß, and, now, the Ersatz, and none have that special bird.

If only Peter would supply a few pictures of his, we'd know a little more. :wave:

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Post by Jerry Rehr » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:24 pm

Great and rare helmet the picture speak everything. Nice going!! :D :D Jerry R.

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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:30 pm

Lost Skeleton wrote: If only Peter would supply a few pictures of his, we'd know a little more.
I am going over to his place Friday night in an attempt to clean-out his beer fridge, so I will bring my camera and take some photos.

As for the helmet above that Bruno posted, except for that eagle (which looks very suspicious) the helmet overall appears to be the standard Ersatz pattern.
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Post by 911car » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:02 pm

Why do you think the eagle looks suspicious Tony? For me it is the best part of this helmet! Real Kurassier pattern, undoubtedly original, prongs not re-soldered... doubtless.
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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:10 pm

911car wrote:Why do you think the eagle looks suspicious Tony? For me it is the best part of this helmet! Real Kurassier pattern, undoubtedly original, prongs not re-soldered... doubtless.
Bruno
Because I have never, ever, seen anything but a standard M1915 Line eagle on an M15 Kürassier of any pattern. And I am very suspicious of these 'chunky' eagles in general.
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Post by Lost Skeleton » Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:02 pm

Tony & Kaiser wrote://I have never, ever, seen anything but a standard M1915 Line eagle on an M15 Kürassier of any pattern.//
Hi Tony:

For what it's worth, this is currently on eBay:

http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/200A-1 ... 0271971654

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Peter e-mailed pictures of his Ersatz. I'll post them here as soon as they're resized.

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Post by Lost Skeleton » Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:26 am

This is Peter's (ErsatzBoy) Ersatz Kürassierhelm.

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All three examples in this thread display unique characteristics, and, I would argue, represent different manufacturers. Below are left profile views. How many differences can you find?

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Post by 911car » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:57 am

Tony.
Both 1915 models pictured in Reiner Herrmann's and Jurgen Kraus' books bear the typical Kurassier eagle in grey color.
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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:29 pm

Well, just when I am feeling reasonably smug in my near-arrogant "seen it all" attitude, 'pop' goes that little balloon and I crash back to earth. You are correct Bruno; I have never even considered a steel version of the Kürassier pattern eagle Wappen until this week. I noticed the one in Jurgen Kraus' book is a Probe; is it possible that the 'intent' was to issue all M15s with this eagle, but that evolved quickly into the line eagle Wappen? Beyond the ones I have seen this week, I swear I have never seen these before??
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Post by Lost Skeleton » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:45 pm

Ken Greenfield has a "Probe" M15 Kürassierhelm in his most recent update. It also has the eagle in steel, but one has to wonder about that spike:

http://www.derrittmeister.com/productpages/04529.htm

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Post by Tony without Kaiser » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:59 pm

I had a good look at Peter's Fri evening, (early, before things started to get blurry) and the one interesting difference I noted that was although his shell is absolutely Ersatz pattern, the top spike base is a seperate piece as you can see in the photos. On Chas' and Bruno's examples the spike base and split brads are artificial and actually impressed into the helmet shell.
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Post by 911car » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:22 pm

You are correct Tony. In fact I also have one that is identical to Peter's but I did not show it because it is in a bad condition and incomplete, but the spike base is indeed an added piece. The spike also has a different shape, less conical than the others.
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