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Rarest of All Pickelhaubes

Post by pickelhauben » Fri May 25, 2018 9:36 am

I know we all have a Holy Grail helm that we have been searching for a while .

I have a few , but I feel if I can find them I will not be able to afford them.

There are so many " rare " pickelhaubes out there .

Is there one stand out that is rarest of the rare for you guys ?

Are they out there ?

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Post by Pontiac9999 » Fri May 25, 2018 10:17 am

I am trying to score an original LHR II pelzmutze, that's the goal for me!

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Post by Neil Young » Fri May 25, 2018 11:06 am

How about a 2nd Kuirassier helmet, or at least a wappen for that regiment.
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Post by Arran » Fri May 25, 2018 1:15 pm

A Hawaiian Pickelhaube!
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Post by poniatowski » Fri May 25, 2018 2:11 pm

Actually, for now I've stored my wants list away. They're getting too expensive for me to justify spending the money... however, I keep looking just in case. My Holy Grails are a nice M1842, line infantry and a Saxon Garde Reiter. I also still need to get a Hessen! Believe it or not! Other than that, I've done pretty well filling out my true wants. I'm also searching for that ever elusive Wurt. M15.

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Post by pickelhauben » Fri May 25, 2018 3:11 pm

Neil Young wrote:
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How about a 2nd Kuirassier helmet, or at least a wappen for that regiment.

I had a rare style of one of these ( funeral EM without chinscales ) and had the hardest time selling it !!!!!!!!!!

I am thinking anything from Lippe .

Some what like hen's teeth ?

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Post by kaiser » Fri May 25, 2018 3:17 pm

One on the wish list i dont have would be a few for me but there was one on the baldwin auction

The saxon "football" ersatz helmet
a ersatz IR92
Dragoner m15

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Post by Sandmann » Fri May 25, 2018 4:57 pm

I‘m not a collector for so long so I‘m happy with nearly every Picklehaube :)
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Post by aicusv » Fri May 25, 2018 6:25 pm

The rarest one for me is any one under $50.
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Post by kaiser » Sat May 26, 2018 12:20 am

Under $50 ..... think you wil need a ful lifetime to be able to find your first one... and maybe wil be your last one.... becose you wil get a hart attaque just clarefying the price on it 😂😂

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Post by edwin » Sat May 26, 2018 1:23 am

An arti or officer are high on my wish list.

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Post by stuka f » Sat May 26, 2018 3:03 am

A Ghent (city in Belgium) police spike helmet!
Only know one in a Dutch collection. The owner is a member here! ;-)
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Post by Hesi » Sat May 26, 2018 7:37 am

because i have only one nice, i love my Bavarian Officer very much :D

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Post by Zebedeus » Sat May 26, 2018 2:25 pm

I would like a M15 IR90 Meck Schwerin. I'll claim it to Santa next december
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Post by 911car » Sat May 26, 2018 3:52 pm

Zebedeus wrote:
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I would like a M15 IR90 Meck Schwerin. I'll claim it to Santa next december
Great choice.
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Post by aicusv » Sat May 26, 2018 4:04 pm

Kaiser - paid $65 for this one and it nearly killed me.
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Post by kaiser » Sat May 26, 2018 4:29 pm

If you found this one for that price luck was on your side that day
I have never been that lucky

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Post by alte helm zimmer » Sat May 26, 2018 10:17 pm

that is a very nice looking helmet!!!!!!!!!!
enjoy the luck -----but be prepared to pay more----when you find others ----- sometimes the bargain is just to have it -- then to look for others...

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Post by Khukri » Sun May 27, 2018 3:37 am

I'd like to score a helmet of one (...or more) Kavallerie Regiments that stormed at Halen. 12th August 1914. "The Battle of the Silver Helmets"
The Kürassierhelmet is my top favourit!!! http://users.skynet.be/fb428741/images/ ... -groot.gif

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-2. Pommersches Ulanen-Regiment Nr. 9 - Demmin

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Post by KAGGR#1 » Sun May 27, 2018 2:19 pm

O K , so if we are to wish for the rarest of all ; let's dream big ! I would like an officers miter from the KAGGR# 1 / Fusilier Batl. Wish number 2 would be for an officers miter to the 1st Garde Regt. zu Fuss ( before the " new " silver front miter ) with the Semper Talis banner over the enamel Garde Star . This one I have only seen photos of officers and the Crown Prince as a young boy wearing this miter. I have not seen one in a museum , nor do I know of one in a private collection . I have a collector friend who about every helmet there is to have except this one . Does anyone know where one of these miters is ? Steve McFarland

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Post by edwin » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:47 pm

I am modest. Just looking for an arti haube or officer's one.

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Post by Spiker » Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:59 am

One of the Keizer’s helmets , don't matter which one , I’m not picky 8-[
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Post by b.loree » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:54 pm

Right now, I would like a well marked OR’s helmet to Baden JR109 or the Anhalt JR 93 wappen I need to complete my M95 helmet clearly marked to this Regiment.
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Post by argonne » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:43 am

My only wish:
A Grenadier OR helmet from the GR1-GR12, well marked from the Kammer. with wearer name in it and with the big Grenadier Adler. Or a KJR145 after September 1913, even with the Grenadier Eagle...

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Post by KAGGR#1 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:37 pm

I have seen the KIR 145 both ways .I have officers and enlisted .I stopped doing photos
after the Photobucket problem .I guess that I need to learn the new system so
that I could post photos of them . I also have a well marked KIR 145 before the " new eagle "
It is one of my favorite regiments .
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Post by KAGGR#1 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:39 pm

I should have added that the Prussian Grenadier Regiments 1 thru 12
are also my favorites . For me G R 4 enlisted helmet is the hardest to find .
More difficult than the officers helmet for G R 4 .
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Post by Zebedeus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:06 am

911car wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 3:52 pm
Zebedeus wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 2:25 pm
I would like a M15 IR90 Meck Schwerin. I'll claim it to Santa next december
Great choice.

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I know your stunning piece, Bruno. I have never seen another one for sell.
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Post by 911car » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:20 am

Thank you Giorgio.
I have seen one or two, but always bearing Prussian infantry spikes.

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Post by Zebedeus » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:04 am

The last models was generally semplified with round bases and prussian type spikes, but your one is the perfect regulation. It's a superb helmet.
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Post by 911car » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:38 am

Yes but it came originally with a Prussian spike....

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Post by Zebedeus » Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:49 am

So great job, Bruno. You was able to add a fluted spike with the exact colour's tonality. I like it a lot.
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Post by 911car » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:42 am

Zebedeus wrote:
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So great job, Bruno. You was able to add a fluted spike with the exact colour's tonality. I like it a lot.
Giorgio
It is not exactly that, Giorgio. I told the story before: this guy in San Francisco had two M15s for sale, this Mecklemburg and a bavarian in rather poor condition. Unfortunately, spikes had been inverted. I tried to convince him that the fluted one was for the other helmet but he never wanted to believe me. He seemed to know nothing about the subject (or pretended not to...). Eventually I had to buy both helmets, the chance to find an M15 Mecklemburg detachable spike as a spare part being not exactly high.
Therefore it is actually the spike it was born with.

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Post by Zebedeus » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:09 am

So this is the real story of your stunning piece. You saved a masterpiece of imperial german militaria.
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Post by Peter_Suciu » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:53 pm

Arran wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 1:15 pm
A Hawaiian Pickelhaube!
I don't know if you are serious or not, but the Hawaiian militia did wear a sun helmet with a spike! I've been trying to obtain one for years!

There is also the discussion of rarest vs. what one wants. I still want a USMC dress spike helmet and I'm kicking myself for not jumping on the one that was for sale at the Baltimore Show in March. That is an uncommon helmet but not especially rare.

As for rare, I think the Madagascar spiked helmets are among the most rare - only known one is in the Musee d'Armee in Paris. Less than 100 probably existed. The spiked helmet/shako used by the Persian Guards are rare too. I saw one in the Turkish Military Museum in Istanbul.

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Post by 911car » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:32 pm

Peter_Suciu wrote:
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Arran wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 1:15 pm
A Hawaiian Pickelhaube!
As for rare, I think the Madagascar spiked helmets are among the most rare
Not directly related, but once I found an ersatz felt Prussian helmet on Reunion island, east of Madagascar...

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Peter_Suciu wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:53 pm
Arran wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 1:15 pm
A Hawaiian Pickelhaube!
There is also the discussion of rarest vs. what one wants. I still want a USMC dress spike helmet and I'm kicking myself for not jumping on the one that was for sale at the Baltimore Show in March. That is an uncommon helmet but not especially rare.
You mean like this?
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Post by aicusv » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:17 pm

Here is a photo of the Hawaiian Helmet
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Post by Peter_Suciu » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:26 am

aicusv wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:56 pm
Peter_Suciu wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:53 pm
Arran wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 1:15 pm
A Hawaiian Pickelhaube!
There is also the discussion of rarest vs. what one wants. I still want a USMC dress spike helmet and I'm kicking myself for not jumping on the one that was for sale at the Baltimore Show in March. That is an uncommon helmet but not especially rare.
You mean like this?
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Yes, that is the one. There was a nice one at Baltimore and for some reason I waited too long to buy it. I don't know why I waited - actually I do, I had already spent a lot of money! I should have just spent a bit more!

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Post by Peter_Suciu » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:27 am

aicusv wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:17 pm
Here is a photo of the Hawaiian HelmetRoyalGuard3.jpg
Yes, that is the one. These are American helmets - I'm not sure who makes the current ones but the old ones were apparently surplus American Model 1887 helmets with a badge added. I did try to reach out to the Honor Guard, which is part of the state's National Guard unit and was unable to buy one.

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Post by aicusv » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:20 pm

I believe that until WW2 Hawaii fell under the Regulations for the department of the Philippines. This would mean that '87 helmet was still being worn way into the 20th century. As a government supplier the current manufacture should be public record.

I did a little on line surfing about the Hawaiian helmet and found this stuff;
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From this site: https://www.iolanipalace.org/palace-col ... cessories/

Site also has photos of the white helmets - there were at least two different models.
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Post by Arran » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:50 pm

Here is the Hawaiian Pickelhaube of which I was speaking, although the one above is of great interest to me as well. Was the Madagascar spiked helmet in the German style, or of German manufacture? These are really the only ones that interest me. How about this rare Chinese cuirassier helmet, of which none are known to have survived...
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Post by Arran » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:52 pm

Sorry, here's the Hawaiian helmet. It was the property of King David Kalakuau...
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Post by Arran » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:23 pm

Or how about this pickelhaube? Does anyone have one of these?
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Or how about this pickelhaube? Does anyone have one of these?
What is it?

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Post by Arran » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:00 pm

I wish I knew exactly! Something from the Ottoman Empire...
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Post by Peter_Suciu » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:31 am

Arran wrote:
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Here is the Hawaiian Pickelhaube of which I was speaking, although the one above is of great interest to me as well. Was the Madagascar spiked helmet in the German style, or of German manufacture? These are really the only ones that interest me.
No, the Madagascar helmet would not have been of German style. Probably French, but maybe British manufacture. It was more of a sun helmet with a spike. Madagascar was in France's sphere of influence and then was invaded and became a colony at the end of the 19th century.

Here is something I wrote on these helmets:
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Post by Arran » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:40 am

Peter- lovely cork helmet, and very interesting article! Do you have one of the Ludwig Bordfeldt-made Chilean pith helmets in your collection?
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Post by Peter_Suciu » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:15 am

Arran wrote:
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Peter- lovely cork helmet, and very interesting article! Do you have one of the Ludwig Bordfeldt-made Chilean pith helmets in your collection?
The Madagascar helmet is unfortunately not mine however. It is the only known one to exist and is in the Musee d'Armee in Paris. I do not have that style Chilean helmet either. Those are very rare and I've never seen one for sale. I have an Argentine and a Uruguayan sun helmet from the late 19th/early 20th century.

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Post by Arran » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:56 pm

Thanks Peter- very interesting information. I have one of the unique helmet plates for the Chilean pith helmet, but sadly not the helmet itself...
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