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help with verification on a 1906 Lt. in 3 Obersch/Infantrie-Regiment

Post by FranzSilesian » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:00 pm

Greetings .. I just recently have run across a 1906 photo of a relation of my family.... ' Herr Fritz Brauer , Leutnant in 3 Oberschlesischen Infantrie - Regiment #62' - it states on the photo. He married my grand-father's sister Martha Sobtzick , possibly in Ratibor or near that area (now Poland, was German empire in the time of course). She was from Ratibor, and he likely was stationed there or nearby ?? I am trying to verify his service record , as we know nothing about his service, his life , their marriage, their death(s) ,children, etc.. I was made aware of this forum and just joined; as I might be able to find someone who has a access to German military records of this era who might be able to help me in any way possible. I was told there is -' a Rangliste??? ' ; a listing of officers in the German army. This my 1st post , and don't know how/if I can post the picture here . Many thanks in advance..


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Re: help with verification on a 1906 Lt. in 3 Obersch/Infantrie-Regiment

Post by Neil Young » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:53 pm

I only have a 1911 copy and he is still listed in that regiment as a Lt. Brauer on page 221. No first name given.
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Post by FranzSilesian » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:12 pm

Thanks very much for your reply! ... that's good news . I thought he might have died in the war(s), glad he survived them.. Chris Dale stated his unit was stationed in Ratibor and another city nearby. thank you again for the effort and reply .

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Re: help with verification on a 1906 Lt. in 3 Obersch/Infantrie-Regiment

Post by b.loree » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:09 pm

Some information on Regt 62: Formed in 1860, based at Cosel, third Battalion based at Ratibor part of VI Army Korps. On their pre 1910 dark blue uniform the Ordinary Ranks wore yellow shoulder straps with "62".
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Post by FranzSilesian » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:57 pm

Super ! thanks b. Loree ,for the info on Regt. 62 . I was just starting to research it, and you answered most questions! Definately hard to discern colors on the older black & White photo's. Were you able to open the picture ??? I was not sure I attached it in correctly, to view. Glad to see a Ontario person; I visit and fish up in Tichborne ( Bob's lake, north of Kingston) regularly. thanks, cheers , again!

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Re: help with verification on a 1906 Lt. in 3 Obersch/Infantrie-Regiment

Post by argonne » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:15 pm

In the 1914-18 Rangliste one can see that Brauer promoted to the rank of an Oberleutnant. During the war, he was at the General Stab der 38. Infanterie Division (Infanterie Regimenter 71, 94, 95 and 96). He survived the war because he had lately the rank of a Major a. D. (außer Dienst).

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Post by FranzSilesian » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:46 pm

Danke ! More good news is very welcome and appreciated !! Thanks for your effort.

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Post by Glennj » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:17 am

Some additional information regarding Major Brauer:

He entered Infanterie-Regiment 62 as a Fahnenjunker (aspirant officer in 1901). Promoted to Unteroffizer and subsequently to Fähnrich on 22 April 1902. He was commissioned as a Leutnant on the Kaiser's birthday on 27 January 1903 with seniority from that day. He spent ten years in that rank (which was normal) before being promoted to Oberleutnant on 27 January 1913. He had served as the adjutant to the commander of the recruiting district in Rybnik from 1911-1912 before attending the war academy in Berlin for training as a general staff officer/adjutant at an higher headquarters in 1913/1914. He was promoted to Hauptmann on 8 November 1914.

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Post by argonne » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:35 am

Glenn,

I always though that the prussian Kriegsstammrollen were destroyed during WWII. But it seems that this is not the case for the prussian officers. Can I ask you where you were able to find those informations about Major a.D. Brauer? Are some archives still existing in Potsdam?

I know that the bavarian, the Baden and the Württemberg archives still exist (officers and Mannschaften) and have consulted them many time with success but I have no idea how (and where) to search for a saxon, a hessian or a prussian soldier....

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Post by Glennj » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:49 am

Philippe,

I only wish it were true that they had not been destroyed. I have never encountered any Prussian Kriegsstammrollen on my travels. Perhaps they will turn up in Russia one day? I was able to find the additional stuff in the Militär-Wochenblatt. Unfortunately, besides promotions and the awards of very high orders such as the pour le mérite and Hohenzollern House Order, nothing else is published there. Only a handful of regiments have post war "Offizier-Stammliste" and therefore wartime information regarding officer assignments is fragmentary at best!

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Post by FranzSilesian » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:35 pm

My sincerest thanks to all of you who answered my posting. I found out more than I originally thought possible. I thought most all of the records were destroyed (in Germany) over the two world wars. My grandfather was decorated while in the Schutztruppe in DSWA, so I know the official (military) decorations [orden] records of most of that colony were destroyed. I had just assumed many/most of all military rolls and documents were lost also. Bless the Germans for being so thorough at all they do, & record keeping; and you for knowing where to look.

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Post by argonne » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:44 am

Glenn,

Thanks for your explanation!

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Post by b.loree » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:09 am

Yes Franz, I was able to open your photo no problem. I live north of Toronto, Ontario. My thanks to all members who have contributed here. It is always good when we can help people track down information on their ancestors.
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