Prussian Pioneer Ersatz Felt Helme

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Prussian Pioneer Ersatz Felt Helme

Post by b.loree » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:13 pm

This helmet/post relates to a filz helme recently purchased by one of our European members and like his, it has some unique characteristics.
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I have owned this helmet for 20+years and have never cleaned the fittings. Consequently the nickel silver now has a greenish patina to it.
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No metal spine, instead a feldgrau cloth strip stitched up the back!
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On the inside, a leather renforcement strip which extends right up under the spike support disc.
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Again, maker,size and date label still present after all these decades.
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Re: Prussian Pioneer Ersatz Felt Helme

Post by b.loree » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:35 pm

I always thought that the above helmet had this cloth and leather spine arrangement due to a "period repair" now I am not so sure after seeing the other helmet which is now in Belgium. The rear visor on mine did split along the original stitch line for the liner and this split does appear to have been glued together but new stitching was put in the shell rim slightly above the old split.
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One last comment for our newer collectors...note the black corded string woven through the liner fingers, in my experience this is a typical characteristic of the filz helmets. The leather pickelhauben use a leather thong to link the fingers together.
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Re: Prussian Pioneer Ersatz Felt Helme

Post by pickelhauben » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:32 am

Oooh a Pioneer felt .

Very nice !!

I tride to get on this post yesterday but was locked out.

I will be enjoying this new felt post .

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Re: Prussian Pioneer Ersatz Felt Helme

Post by Adler » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:20 pm

OMG, that's really a super helmet in my opinion. To me it seems that it was produced this way... SUPERB!

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Re: Prussian Pioneer Ersatz Felt Helme

Post by Sandmann » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Nice Helmets and thank you for the tipp :)
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Re: Prussian Pioneer Ersatz Felt Helme

Post by kaiser » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:05 pm

Thats a pretty rare helmet
One for on the wish list
What i do not understand is how can a single strip of felt and leather make sure to reinforce the helmet the same way as a spine would do
The strip of felt they used on this helmet looks very soft to me
Could it be possible that they used another sort of material to reinforce the spine and that the felt and leather is some sort of pocket that holds the spine in place.....
Just thinking out loud 🤔🤔🤔

On the other hand ,one strip on the outside one strip on the inside makes it still stiffer than it would be spineless
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Re: Prussian Pioneer Ersatz Felt Helme

Post by Zebedeus » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:09 am

Wonderful and stunning ersatz helmet. Congrats.
I had the opportunity to see other pickelhaubes produced by the Berthold Lissner company without the back metal reinforcement. They had a strip of skin externally that went from the circular base of the spike, revolved around the neckguard and ended near the inner liner. From there continued a double reinforcement stitching with a zigzag pattern.
In your spike helmet the strip of leather is present inside, while outside the strip of grey-green cloth would have no function. From a production point of view, perhaps a strip of felt, a production waste, would have been more appropriate. In my opinion, the feldgrau fabric strip is a repair.
But it could also be that the company has tried various solutions for this particular ersatz.
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