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Post by Pionier » Sun May 19, 2013 3:24 pm

My first cavalry field cap M1910.
In my opinion it is DR18
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Re: DR18

Post by argonne » Sun May 19, 2013 4:10 pm

Beautiful cap! =D>
I think I agree with DR18, IX AK, Parchim.
Tony seems to have made some mistakes in his color chart. He mentioned there two time the DR18 with two different colors. No DR17 (Ludwigslust, also IX AK) is mentioned in his chart...And he also wrote the DR18 belongs to the VIII AK [-X

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Re: DR18

Post by 911car » Mon May 20, 2013 6:29 am

Nice cap, but where is the Mecklemburg cockade??...

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Post by argonne » Mon May 20, 2013 10:18 am

911car wrote:Nice cap, but where is the Mecklemburg cockade??...
Damned... :oops: Completely failed to notice that.. :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Maybe it got lost and someone sew a prussian one on this cap?
Without this BA IX stamp, one could say DR6,14 or 19.... :wink:

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Re: DR18

Post by Pionier » Mon May 20, 2013 4:34 pm

I am little bit confused now.

For me the cap looks very good. There is anything in it what looks suspicious or wrong. In my opinion is original.

Hmm.. :eek:
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Re: DR18

Post by Chip Minx » Mon May 20, 2013 11:34 pm

The cockades look artificially aged. The "brown" stuff on the white portion of the cockades is also on the thread. Shoe polish? They may be repainted and this process was used to hide the new condition of the paint. The paint doesn't appear to have the normal brittleness that tends to pop off in pieces. Also, the paint job seems a bit irregular. These are just impressions from what I can see. Perhaps it looks different in person.

They're getting quite good at reproducing these and without it in hand, you just have to go with your gut feeling. I'm somewhat suspicious, but perhaps that is just my nature. :-k

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Re: DR18

Post by poniatowski » Tue May 21, 2013 8:30 am

Some good observations here. On the national cockade, did they use red thread, or was that painted over? It's difficult to tell from the photos. (this is why I don't buy caps... I don't know squat abut them)

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Re: DR18

Post by Pionier » Tue May 21, 2013 3:17 pm

You scared me guys. I started checking all my field caps :o
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Three of them had National cockade sewn with red thread and the Prussian one with black thread. So, maybe it is not unusual?
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Re: DR18

Post by RON » Tue May 21, 2013 5:11 pm

The Reichs Kokarden were always sewn with red thread ex-factory... Some caps were later repaired and thread color depended on field availibilty. There was also a small square piece of red cloth placed between the Reichs Kokarden and the backing to avoid other colors contrasting with the red center between the thread wholes:
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You can also clearly spot it in this cap of yours:
http://pommerschespionier.com/index.php ... ear/cap-3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And this one too I think:
http://pommerschespionier.com/index.php ... ear/cap-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: DR18

Post by Pionier » Wed May 22, 2013 4:45 pm

Ron, thanks for your tip.
I am aware about these small pieces of cloth between the the cockades. Three of my caps have these small piece of material, but not as on yours red and white. I have only one piece of red :-k and a black piece of material underneath the Prussian cockade.

I also saw several caps without that piece of material which were original as well. As you said during the war there was no time for details, time pressure and often lack of materials was a main problem.

Back to my latest field cap. I do not exclude that the cockades were replaced but the cap body looks very good to me. The fact that the cockades are not brittle and cracked does not indicate that they are not old. It seems that not all cockades must be brittle and cracked. Cockades from my other caps with material underneath do not have any signs of cracks. I think it depends where and in which environment the cap was stored.

The lack of the Mecklemburg cockade could suggest that in the first instance cap was issued to DR18 (B.A.IX) but during war was given to the one of the other Dragoons Regiments, DR6, DR14 or DR19, which has same black colour of the band and piping. I will stay with the conclusion :)

There are visible moth holes on the one side of the cap and the black band one the other side is dirty from the same "brown stuff".
It is possibility that maybe cockades were replaced but I assume that it is a Dragoner field cap :)
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Re: DR18

Post by joerookery » Thu May 23, 2013 6:10 am

the other side is dirty from the same "brown stuff"
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