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MG08/15

Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:31 pm
by Lost Skeleton
It may not be the ultimate Waffen collectible, but I'm darn happy with this complete and fully functional 1917 Gwf. Erfurt MG08/15, which I recently acquired:

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Anybody have an assault sling they're willing to part with?

Chas

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 6:16 pm
by ottodog8
Beautiful piece Chas. THE classic Imperial German weapon. In my world, helmets and headgear are just accessories for beauties such as this. Do you plan on shooting it?
Steve

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 6:38 pm
by Lost Skeleton
I do indeed, Steve. Ohio Ordnance Works, from whom I purchased the Erfurt, have an approved range, and have invited me. It took roughly seven months for the transfer paperwork to be approved by the ATF, but it was worth the wait.

Thanks!

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 8:07 pm
by J.LeBrasseur
Charles- good for you, I am sure this one is a blast to shoot!!!!

James

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 12:48 am
by ebeeby
Good work, Way cool. Way.

Now if I could just find that MP18......

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 9:31 am
by Lost Skeleton
Thanks, everybody!

I found the following on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3XTPWnV2rw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

… and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zx4X5C_WH8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 10:52 am
by RON
:love10: :love10: :love10: :love10:

B E A U T I F U L; congrats Chas :bravo:

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 10:28 pm
by Gustaf
It may not be the ultimate Waffen collectible, but I would say that it is pretty close to the top of the list. This looks like an exceptional example as well!
Best
Gus

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:17 am
by Larmo
Wow, what a beauty....great photos too. Have fun blasting with that thing...

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 8:46 am
by Adler
Wooohhh! That's one of my dreampieces... Beautiful!

Adler

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 6:40 pm
by Lost Skeleton
Again, many thanks, my friends. The machine gun was sold with a spare barrel and lock. Not all the numbers match, but I imagine these weapons often received critical field replacement parts to keep them functioning.

I scanned the following page from a Martin B. Retting catalogue published in 1953. As you can see, the MG08/15 was once "bargain" priced. However, "In accordance with Federal Laws…" these would have been "altered as to render the guns incapable of being fired." Oh well, read it and weep. From the same catalogue, one could purchase a "Nazi paratrooper helmet" for $12.50 or an Ersatz "sheet metal" Pickelhaube for $7.50.

Those were the days.

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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:16 am
by RON
Such stories get me depressed Charles!! :cry:

I see a T-Gewehr was more expensive than an MG08/15 back in the 50s... Is it the case today?

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:55 am
by ottodog8
They are roughly equivalent in value, with the 08/15 being a bit higher. Many factors, condition, completeness, matching numbers enter into the equation. I paid about 10% more for my 08/15 than I did for my Tankgewehr.
Steve

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:26 am
by Lost Skeleton
The T-Gewehr currently listed on GunBroker supports Steve's appraisal. Not counting sales and transfer taxes, which I was required to pay, the 08/15 was exactly 6.25% more.

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 12:12 pm
by Gustaf
6.25% more is a bargain.

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:25 pm
by ebeeby
Just bought an 08/15. Has a capture inscription on the water jacket I will post soon. Well, I say I bought it, it will be months for the transfer. The first Class III I've been involved with.

Appears to be all there and about 90% matching - a couple of small bits are not.

I will need a water can and hose for it if anyone has a line on them....

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:10 pm
by Peter_Suciu
Chas--
That is truly a beauty! Congrats on the purchase and I imagine it was worth the wait!

Good luck with it.

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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:05 pm
by ebeeby
The inscription reads:

Captured by Co."G" (or C?) 314th Inf- 79th Div Sept. 26, 1918 at Malancourt

Now the research begins....



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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:19 pm
by ebeeby
Here's a little info on where the 79th was on 26 Sept, 1918. I need to drill down to the 314th Inf.

http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs ... ter22.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:31 pm
by ebeeby
Hmmm. A citation for the DSC on Sept. 26 for, among other things, capturing light machine guns

http://projects.militarytimes.com/citat ... ntid=14590" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:16 pm
by RON
Man you guys are lucky (to live in a country where you can own such beauties without having to alter them much) =P~ =P~ =P~

So Eric, I take it you still haven't found the guy who brought back your MG?

One has to agree this Private Seiders did deserve his medal as he "entered alone a ruined building, and discovered 13 of the enemy. He shot one who resisted capture and made prisoners of the remaining twelve, bringing in with him three light machine guns. Later in the same day, he captured ten of the enemy and five machine guns." Impressive!

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:26 pm
by ebeeby
This MG came out of the Evergreen Museum which I am told was an "overflow" for Air America - aka the CIA!

Apparently the CIA got rid of arms into the Evergreen Museum. I need to learn more about that as well. More mysteries!

So far, as far as the 79th Div and the 314th Inf., it appears they got pretty well hammered by the time they got to Mont Faucon. Much more to learn here, I'm hoping some board members can add more.

The fellas I'm buying this from are old MG collectors and have invited me to their range when the transfer comes through. I'll have to see if I have an appropriate helmet to wear on that outing!

And I have to chase down a water can, hose and belt. I have a pal with 100,000 rounds of Port 8mm - maybe I can talk him out of 1000 rounds......

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:44 pm
by ebeeby
If I read things right the 29th Division (Baden) would have been opposite the 79th Div at Malancourt

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:07 am
by silent knight
Malancourt is a little village located near "cote 304" battlefield in the North East of France

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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:16 pm
by Blinker
Really great item! =D> =D> =D>

Before two years, I had the chance to see an original one in France ( Meuse Departement) digged out by Workers on the side of a street. Rusty and without stock, but it is allways crazy to see such Item.
Yours is absolutly beautifull!

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:38 pm
by ebeeby
Update: The MG08/15 I acquired is in the book "The Devil's Paintbrush" by Dolf Goldsmith (p.167). He sold it to the Evergreen Museum in 1989. He fired it when it was in his possession.

I have a steam hose fitting but haven't tried it yet but will tomorrow. Wish I had a nice hose with brass crimp to the fitting like Lost Skeleton does.

Water can and belt are in the mail to me. Not sure about the belt. Tabs are long enough for 8mm Mauser but it has 5 bullet spaces between tabs rather than 3. Have a John Baum English operating manual on the way as well. Have amassed some non-corrosive Port 8mm ammo.

Expect transfer to complete by oh, September? Not sure I have a M1915 or M1916 large enough for my fat head when I shoot it......

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:55 pm
by SHOOTEST
Lost Skeleton wrote:It may not be the ultimate Waffen collectible, but I'm darn happy with this complete and fully functional 1917 Gwf. Erfurt MG08/15, which I recently acquired:

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Anybody have an assault sling they're willing to part with?

Chas

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:38 pm
by ebeeby
Question: there are 2 steam ports but the steam port fitting has only one opening. Can someone explain this to me?




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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:41 pm
by ebeeby
Here is the steam hose fitting which was copied using 3D printing and then cast on demand. Nice fit. 2015 meets 1916 technology!

Looks like we still need to fabricate a gasket between the fittings. Opening on MG side is greater than hose fitting. I'm guessing the original gasket had a "nipple" that fit into the hole to keep the gasket captured and in place

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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:55 pm
by Gustaf
that fitting is very similar to the "glad hands" used to connect air lines on trucks, you might even be able to find a gasket off the shelf that will work, or you could make one out of RTV.

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:30 pm
by kaiser
that would be a great centerpiece in a imperial collection
i gess every one would want one like this :oops:
i know i do :-"
i wouldend even bother if it works or not just having one would be a great one
concrats with this one

MG08/15

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:36 pm
by MG1918
Great thread. I would like to add to this and also start a MG08 thread too? I appreciate that those in the USA are able to own live firing examples whereas we in Europe must have them deactivated. We must take comfort in the fact that we do not have to have dummy side plates. If the moderators are happy I would also like to show the maxim accessories too in these threads.
Mark

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:47 pm
by MG1918
Re-energising the thread. The MG08/15.
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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:03 pm
by MG1918
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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:40 pm
by ebeeby
MG1918 wrote:Image
One of my wooden dummy training guns. These were used or drills in place of scarce working items! Has letter of authenticity/capture in 1918 by Belgian forces.

WOW! I have never seen a dummy training MG08/15 - excellent!

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:36 pm
by edwin
Interesting thread!

Regards,

Edwin

MG08/15

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:04 am
by MG1918
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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:26 am
by MG1918
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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:39 am
by MG1918
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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:41 am
by MG1918
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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:27 am
by ebeeby
Holy smokes - an Mg08/15 cut-away! Wow!

Re: MG08/15

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:19 pm
by MG1918
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skeleton DP MG08/15

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:38 pm
by MG1918
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Drill Purpose MG08/15

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:30 am
by MG1918
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DP MG08/15

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:56 pm
by MG1918
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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:03 am
by MG1918
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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:11 pm
by MG1918
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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:13 pm
by MG1918
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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:44 pm
by MG1918
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Re: MG08/15

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:45 pm
by kaiser
in the first picture you shared with us there are even two diffrent bipods in one foto
i wonder how manny differend models were manufactured even those ersatz models included
you clearly can see that it is a'n ersatz model ,it is so simpelfied made than the other bipods

jonas