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6th KR nickname?

Post by poniatowski » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:37 pm

I thought I'd posted this. If I did, I'll get rid of this one.
On a forum, somebody offered this information:

"Cohen's Company" was what the Prussians called this Regt (6KR)..Almost all officers and troopers were Jewish"

I didn't know of this nickname, just the "Kaiser Nikolas... etc". Anybody else know of this? To me, it sounds like an Irish name, so strikes me as odd. Looking for some info.

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Post by aicusv » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:40 pm

As to this being true or not, I have no idea, but it would stand to reason that there were nick names for some of the regiments. Both the British and US Armies have regimental nick names (US has nick names for some of its Divisions as well), why not the German? I know that nick names are not unknown in German culture.
It would be actually interesting to know the nick names of some of the regiments.
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Post by 911car » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:48 pm

aicusv wrote:As to this being true or not, I have no idea, but it would stand to reason that there were nick names for some of the regiments. Both the British and US Armies have regimental nick names (US has nick names for some of its Divisions as well), why not the German? I know that nick names are not unknown in German culture.
It would be actually interesting to know the nick names of some of the regiments.
Husar regiments 6 and 10, which wore green attilas with yellow cords, were nicknamed for this reason "Spinach and eggs"...

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Post by aicusv » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:08 pm

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Post by Khukri » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:21 pm

Schwerfällig ist der Kürassier, er reitet Schritt und trinkt viel Bier.
Dragoner ist halb Mensch, halb Vieh; aufs Pferd gesetzte Infanterie.
Husaren reiten wie der Wind, wenn sie erst aufgesessen sind.
Ulanen werden in der Schlacht, wie andere Menschen umgebracht.
Als unser Herrgott schuf die Erde, da gabs noch keine Jäger zu Pferde.

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Post by 911car » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:39 pm

Khukri wrote:Schwerfällig ist der Kürassier, er reitet Schritt und trinkt viel Bier.
Dragoner ist halb Mensch, halb Vieh; aufs Pferd gesetzte Infanterie.
Husaren reiten wie der Wind, wenn sie erst aufgesessen sind.
Ulanen werden in der Schlacht, wie andere Menschen umgebracht.
Als unser Herrgott schuf die Erde, da gabs noch keine Jäger zu Pferde.
Wirklich! Jaeger zu Pferde waren "Talmi-Kuerassiere"...

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Post by Khukri » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:59 pm

:thumb up:

Talmi {n} [billiger Schmuck etc.]
gaud [archaic]
Talmi {n} [fig.]
trumpery
tinsel [fig.]
Talmi {n} [Fälschung, Nachahmung]
fake
sham
Talmi {n} [vergoldete Legierung] [auch fig.]
pinchbeck [also fig

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Post by 911car » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:49 pm

Khukri wrote::thumb up:

Talmi {n} [billiger Schmuck etc.]
gaud [archaic]
Talmi {n} [fig.]
trumpery
tinsel [fig.]
Talmi {n} [Fälschung, Nachahmung]
fake
sham
Talmi {n} [vergoldete Legierung] [auch fig.]
pinchbeck [also fig
Excellent! But I did not invent anything. JzP were nicknamed as "Talmi-Kuerassiere", i.e cheap- or fake- or imitation cuirassiers.

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Post by Khukri » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:42 pm

I know where I read it !! Talmi-Kürassiere: J-L Larcade; Volume II; page 79; the caption of the picture on top of that page.
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Post by reservist1 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:48 pm

The reference Militarische Kopfbedeckungen der Kaiserzeit by Reiner Herrmann contains a listing of Regiments to include state, garrison, army corps, year raised and a partial listing of regimental nicknames. There is no nickname listed for Cuirassier regiment 6 but there is a note indicating that cuirassiers were typically referred to as "Mehlsacke"

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Post by aicusv » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:03 pm

Mehlsacke - due to their white uniforms?

It is possible that not all nick names would be listed, as some are not flattering to the unit. I would think the name that started this was not meant as a compliment. Then there are official nick names and unofficial ones.
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Post by poniatowski » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:24 pm

Khukri wrote:Schwerfällig ist der Kürassier, er reitet Schritt und trinkt viel Bier.
Dragoner ist halb Mensch, halb Vieh; aufs Pferd gesetzte Infanterie.
Husaren reiten wie der Wind, wenn sie erst aufgesessen sind.
Ulanen werden in der Schlacht, wie andere Menschen umgebracht.
Als unser Herrgott schuf die Erde, da gabs noch keine Jäger zu Pferde.

The cuirassier is cumbersome, he rides, and drinks a great deal of beer.
Dragoons are half human, half cattle; Horse-mounted infantry.
Hussars ride like the wind, when they are first hung up.
Uhlans are killed in the battle like other people.
When our Lord God created the earth, there were no hunters on horseback.

Just in Case.

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Post by poniatowski » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:26 pm

aicusv wrote:Mehlsacke - due to their white uniforms?

It is possible that not all nick names would be listed, as some are not flattering to the unit. I would think the name that started this was not meant as a compliment. Then there are official nick names and unofficial ones.
It didn't sound complimentary to me, but I really don't know.

Mehlsacke took me a while... flour sack. Yes agreed, due to the uniform color (glad I never had to wear something like that!)

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Post by aicusv » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:10 pm

I, once upon a time, had a white uniform I had to wear. It looked good when you first got dressed. You were always aware of it being white and made sure you didn't do anything to get it dirty. You had to be very careful about what I ate or drank while in that uniform.
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Post by joerookery » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:42 pm

On a forum, somebody offered this information:

"Cohen's Company" was what the Prussians called this Regt (6KR)..Almost all officers and troopers were Jewish"
Where did you find this ridiculous quotation? Clearly whoever wrote it has never read The Great War dawning.
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Post by aicusv » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:43 pm

poniatowski wrote:
Khukri wrote:Schwerfällig ist der Kürassier, er reitet Schritt und trinkt viel Bier.
Dragoner ist halb Mensch, halb Vieh; aufs Pferd gesetzte Infanterie.
Husaren reiten wie der Wind, wenn sie erst aufgesessen sind.
Ulanen werden in der Schlacht, wie andere Menschen umgebracht.
Als unser Herrgott schuf die Erde, da gabs noch keine Jäger zu Pferde.

The cuirassier is cumbersome, he rides, and drinks a great deal of beer.
Dragoons are half human, half cattle; Horse-mounted infantry.
Hussars ride like the wind, when they are first hung up.
Uhlans are killed in the battle like other people.
When our Lord God created the earth, there were no hunters on horseback.

Just in Case.

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I took "Husaren reiten wie der Wind, wenn sie erst aufgesessen sind." to mean, Hussars ride like the wind, if he can stay on.
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Post by Glennj » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:16 pm

Almost all officers and troopers were Jewish"
Hardly???

This from the 1914 Prussian Army list. Of the twenty five officers listed every single one without exception is from the Prussian nobility including four Counts and three Barons!

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Post by 911car » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:56 pm

reservist1 wrote:The reference Militarische Kopfbedeckungen der Kaiserzeit by Reiner Herrmann contains a listing of Regiments to include state, garrison, army corps, year raised and a partial listing of regimental nicknames. There is no nickname listed for Cuirassier regiment 6 but there is a note indicating that cuirassiers were typically referred to as "Mehlsacke"

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Thank you R1. I had forgotten about this but you are correct. This book lists regiment nicknames (Spitznamen), but there is no entry for KR6. It says that Garde Dragoner regiment 1 was nicknamed "Regiment Cohn", or "Lerchen" (larks).

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Post by poniatowski » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:37 am

aicusv wrote:
poniatowski wrote:
Khukri wrote:Schwerfällig ist der Kürassier, er reitet Schritt und trinkt viel Bier.
Dragoner ist halb Mensch, halb Vieh; aufs Pferd gesetzte Infanterie.
Husaren reiten wie der Wind, wenn sie erst aufgesessen sind.
Ulanen werden in der Schlacht, wie andere Menschen umgebracht.
Als unser Herrgott schuf die Erde, da gabs noch keine Jäger zu Pferde.

The cuirassier is cumbersome, he rides, and drinks a great deal of beer.
Dragoons are half human, half cattle; Horse-mounted infantry.
Hussars ride like the wind, when they are first hung up.
Uhlans are killed in the battle like other people.
When our Lord God created the earth, there were no hunters on horseback.

Just in Case.

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I took "Husaren reiten wie der Wind, wenn sie erst aufgesessen sind." to mean, Hussars ride like the wind, if he can stay on.
You're most likely correct. I just tossed this into a translator since my German sucks. I was wondering what that meant, being 'hung up'.

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Post by poniatowski » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:38 am

Glenn,

Exactly what I was trying to find out. Now it's time to go back to the other discussion and share this information.

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Post by joerookery » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:20 pm

Now it's time to go back to the other discussion and share this information.
Ron,

That discussion must be so far out of the paint that I just cannot imagine it. Where do people come up with this stuff? The books are out there – maybe they should read them.
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joerookery wrote:
Now it's time to go back to the other discussion and share this information.
Ron,

That discussion must be so far out of the paint that I just cannot imagine it. Where do people come up with this stuff? The books are out there – maybe they should read them.
Yes, exactly why I asked this question. It just didn't seem right to me, but don't want to question somebody's perceptions before asking the experts.

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Post by aicusv » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:10 pm

I took "Husaren reiten wie der Wind, wenn sie erst aufgesessen sind." to mean, Hussars ride like the wind, if he can stay on.[/quote]

You're most likely correct. I just tossed this into a translator since my German sucks. I was wondering what that meant, being 'hung up'.

:D Ron[/quote]

Years ago (before translator apps) I asked my Father -in - Law ( born and raised in Germany) to translate something for me. The one part of it was the description of a uniform. He came back with the guy had "broken glass on his collar and a line of bricks on the front."
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Post by Khukri » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:36 am

Kragenspiegel....

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Post by poniatowski » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:44 am

Khukri wrote:Kragenspiegel....
As opposed to Spiegel Ei. :wink:

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